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cmore, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:44:16 GMT

Mitchell and Popkin appear to be searching for some underlying diabolical reason for Coe's comments about Hitler and the Red Army. As journalists, surely you understand the power of a metaphor? Yes, Jesus did indeed admonish his followers to put all others second to God. This is probably why so many people find it difficult to live the Christian life--they aren't willing to put Christ first.
Unfortunately, this article does not explain who donates money and how to Coe's group. Are these people deceived or forced into making these donations? What does Mr. Coe get out of the relationships with politicians? What programs does he support and how much? Why don't you add the job descriptions of the family employees? How many businesses in America have family members on the payroll?
Is Mr. Coe's personal politics influential in public policy?

I guess I just get tired of these news conjuring types of inquisitions and witchhunts against Christians by a media who refuses to examine all sides of an issue,or fairly report it.

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THE WATCHMAN ON THE WALL — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 00:56:43 GMT

GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS. THE TRUTH IS FINALLY BEING REVEALED ABOUT THE CLINTONS.

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ALL ALONG THE WATCHTOWER — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:40:15 GMT

GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS. THE TRUTH IS FINALLY BEING REVEALED ABOUT THE HYPER-EVANGELISTIC FASCISTS IN OUR GOVERNMENT.

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Joe - Monahans, TX — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:08:07 GMT

After reviewing the article on the National Prayer Breakfast and Mr. Coe, I am only left wondering what the point is. Apparently national leadership in both parties have condoned this for quite some time without a new "Hitler" appearing on the world scene, courtesy of America. According to this article his name might be Jesus Christ.

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KKB Somewhere, NC — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:31:46 GMT

I am glad our leaders have somewhere to go if they want to pray or talk about spiritual things. Last I checked, that was their right. Let's let them exercise it.

Seriously, couldn't you report on something more important? How about something positive about the candidates or people in Washington?

Why don't you report on things like-

1) If elected, how does Sen. Clinton plan on handling the her role as the first female US President in a world run by mostly men? What is her strategy-- when faced with men who do not hold women in high regard? How does she plan on having sound influence when her gender could play apart on the world stage?

2) Why not ask and report on why Sen. Obama and his family are proud to be Americans? How do they plan to represent America to the world? What do they do to show that they care for all Americans?
How much influence will Oprah have in their time in office?

3) Why not find something Sen. McCain is passionate about other than the war in Iraq? Let's hear about his life outside of what he thinks about our military past, present and future. I want to hear about what he thinks about everyday stuff that we face here in America.

4) How many of our elected leaders have actually visited and helped out in areas hit by Katrina? How many have visited the site of the World Trade Center and/or visited with families who lost a loved one there? How many have visited with military families that lost a loved one in a war or anywhere serving our country?

There's lots to talk about folks. Let's stop picking on the Christians.

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Sara, Brooklyn New York — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:40:00 GMT

Thank you for this report! Finally the main stream media is paying attention to The Family. Unfortunately, from the segment it is far too easy to dismiss Coe and his organization (and they are highly organized and influential) as a group of well meaning Christians. Jesus may be the figure at the center but he is used as code for power. Metaphors are not benign. Secrecy is not acceptible in a democracy, particularly a secrecy that hides the great influence that this organization has on foreign and international policy. I agree with cmore: now NBC needs to follow the money trail. Who does contribute to the comfortable livelihood of the family? What do they do? How come we haven't heard a thing about them? And what are their objectives? Quality reporting that understands the language and workings of religion and power is what's needed.

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Jeff O'Key, Tucson, Arizona — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:12:51 GMT

I usually enjoy watching Nightly News with Brian Williams, but tonight's story about the DC prayer group was a real disappointment. It was not just an example of poor journalism (making news out of darkly hinted-at suspicions) but (frankly) anti-Christian. I'm thankful that our leaders are praying; I wish they'd do more of it! Sorry to say,I won't be tuning in anymore.

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Bill H, Boston, MA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:26:56 GMT

I have heard sermons across a wide spectrum of Christian denominations over decades use analogies to Hitler when discussing the commitment Christ calls us to. It is short-sighted and comes across as some effort to 'build a mystery' to suggest that there is some kind of strange, underground, subversive mission here. The media misses the point on this one.

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash. — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:54:19 GMT

It is indeed scary to think that our country is being run by people with such deeply held superstitious beliefs in a sky god.

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deedee — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:06:57 GMT

Religion should stay out of politics! Period!

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College Student, Anon. Dorm Room, Indiana — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:07:18 GMT

NBC, why is it that you depict most followers of any religion as 'crazy'? Must you assume that everybody in the nation is as religiously skeptical as you are? How about you look for a real story. This is not the first person to use a metaphor, and if you are that blind to a simple literary technique, then you are in dire need of new reporters. I dare you to post this comment.

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Peter, Texas — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:15:06 GMT

GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS. THE TRUTH IS FINALLY BEING REVEALED ABOUT THE CLINTONS.
THE WATCHMAN ON THE WALL (Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:56 PM)

You conveniently forgot every Democratic and Republincan President sense Eisenhower. Quit the "Dem" bashing and grow up. Both parties are guilty!!!

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Bill Rights, Arlington VA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:19:14 GMT

Those radical Christians who believe Christianity is the official religion of the United States do not believe in the freedom of religion specified in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

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JRM CT — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:22:36 GMT

A "double banger" for the liberal media Obama agenda: conservative republicans and the clintons all in one shot.

Can journalism get any lower? Where is the substance. Its all innuendo, winks and nods. Now if you're private and religous, you're a secretive diabolical religous group.

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Portland, OR — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:28:36 GMT

Perhaps a better metaphor might have been Martin Luther King or Gandhi.

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Arch Nemesis Memphis,TN — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:32:21 GMT

There shouldn't be any religious things going on at the White House. That should be done at home or in your church. Your religion shouldn't come in to the picture if in you fact represent people of so many differrent beliefs. Freedom of religion, one of the bill of rights, should be left out of the government or they might start burning people at the steak again.

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Paulie, New York — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:32:29 GMT

God Bless America! The only way this great nation is blessed is through the works and prayers of this "secretive" organization. For whatever you ask for in secret, will be visible in public! It's too bad the media is not telling the full story but only chooses what's agains Christianity. If this prayer group is involved in praying for peace and contributing for the good of the people all over the world, then wy are we attacking it in such a negative way. It is a great tradition that this nation has and may it never end because we are truly "one nation under God". God Bless America through every prayer group!

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gjones1010@gmail.com — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:02:39 GMT

My already diminishing opinion of NBC News has now sunk completely below the horizon. With Matthews, Olbermann, Russert and now Mitchell seemingly working full time to drive Hillary Clinton from the presidential race and annoint Obama as the new messiah, the idea of basic fairness in coverage of the two Democratic candidates is no longer in play. When I saw this so-called story on Nightly News tonight, I was stunned by its lack of substance. It was a thinly-veiled attempt to equate Hilary Clinton's casual encounters with a religious leader who ministered to many on both sides of the aisles of Congress with Obama's 20-year support and friendship with the vitriol-spewing Rev. Wright. What a shameful hit job! Please leave this kind of drivel to O'Reilly and Hannnity. The network of Tom Brokaw should be better than this.

Robert Jones, Covington, Georgia

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Joe, Boston, MA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:22:57 GMT

At least from these excerpts, he certainly does a terrible job in making a case for the benefits of blind faith.

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Susan, Claremont, CA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:54:17 GMT

This evil man Coe is clearly the anti-Christ. Jesus was teaching us the importance of love, peace & acceptance. This Coe is only using his own despicable, incorrect version of religion to give himself power & control over everyone who comes in contact with him.

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David Crosby Wolcott, CO — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:54:31 GMT

Separation of church and state is essential to our survival. Without it we are sliding down the slippery slope toward facism and theocracy. Remember christian's like to burn people that don't agree with them.

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Dave Zuckerman, Sacramento, CA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:56:50 GMT

Here's the thing: You cannot describe a sectarian group as "open to peoples of all faiths" when that group is rooted in one particular religion. Imagine if this Mr. Coe were a Moslem and filled his meetings with messages about conversion to Islam. Imagine people from his group called it "The Moslem Mafia." Imagine if the group were a secretive group of powerful Jews who met behind closed doors. What would the public outcry be in these other scenarios?

The bottom line is that while individuals, including those in government, have every right to practice their religions, organized groups like this are a danger to our democracy when they a) exclude non co-religionists in the circles of power and b) mix religion and politics. I am much more troubled by a group like this than I am of Obama's offensive and crazy preacher. At least his messages have been out in the open.

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Erik, Miami, FL — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:59:36 GMT

Religion will eventually destroy every last democracy... or we as a species will finally wise up and put the novelty of religion in its rightful place: our past.

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FSM, Topeka, Kansas — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:21:47 GMT

cmore, as someone who is Atheist and feels strongly that religion should not dictate foreign policy, I still have to agree with your concerns with the article.

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jsharpe,Seattle,WA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:24:11 GMT

I'm sorry you have decided to "soundbite" this man. Definitely not up to the standards of a normal MSNBC docubit.

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MC Elpaso TX. — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:24:54 GMT

You mention that senators John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, have all been said to have attended. OK!

Then why the sole focus on Sen. Clinton: Senator Clinton’s participation is surprising to observers who have investigated Coe’s group, called The Fellowship Foundation, which critics have described as a secretive organization populated mostly by conservative Republicans.

If this group is so bad, why should we not be surprised that Obama and McCain were also "participants"?

Has Msnbc lost all sense of fairness? Ask whatever you wish of Sen. Clinton, then ask the same of Obama and McCain ...before you publish.

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All American Mom — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:29:58 GMT

Jeff Sharlet wrote a lengthy article about The Fellowship for Harper's magazine. It's online. "Jesus Plus One" is the title. As far as the "witch hunts" against Christians... fundamentalists just cannot understand that their view of religion is seen as "cult-like" by others because of their disavowal of truth - such as evolution. (as much of a truth as gravity, but they never bother to note that theory in the scientific context is much more than someone spouting words.

Sharlet's article noted the phrase was "Hitler tactics" and "Stalin tactics." In view of the imperial vice presidency (and prez) America has suffered these last 7 years, conjuring up names of totalitarians is not a comforting view of religion to most post-enlightenment people living in a modern society. Knowing that fundamentalism is a form of absolutism - inerrancy, literalism, skewered interpretation of another religion's text - it is right to question religious leaders who influence our elected representatives. As Justice Scalia noted, democracy is anti-thetical to Christianity. His comment was a scathing indictment of the same in a speech, "God's Justice and Ours." Thomas Paine knew this too, from a positive perspective, as did Jefferson, Franklin and the majority deists who formed this nation.

Worship as you will, but leave your hand out of the federal till as well as areas which rely upon solid science and mature evaluation of information for informed medical decisions.

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Jan — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:40:47 GMT

Naw, it's just a media talkback trying to scare up stuff comparable to Obama and Rev. Wright. Sorry, fellas, no can do. Obama's mentor in HI was a committed communist, Obama's been supported by the Socialist Democratic groups and he sat 20 years in a pew of a black liberation theology church. Not the same stuff, though ya gotta commend the MSMedia for giving it their all for their candidate, don'tcha?

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Jimmy Flint — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:50:21 GMT

Could this be a sign that church and state is not really separated? Is it possible that this type of meeting will lead to a theocracy? It would seem so in my eyes and I seriously hope that it does not. It is very importan to keep church and state separated from each other as much as possible

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josh smith, des moines, ia — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:00:00 GMT

two things that should never be mixed are (government/politics/laws) and (religion/morals). this is what the founding fathers recognized and what they put in the guiding document of this republic, the Constitution. If the candidates would stop pandering to those who wish to push their religious/moral beliefs on others, we as a country would be better off. morals based on religion is fine. but, religion/morals should not be made into laws as those who pedal religion in politics want. my goodness. think about it. all someone needs to do is say they did something because god wanted them to do it then they can justify almost anything...because who can argue against that. so, it doesnt matter who panders to mr. coe, whether it be clinton, obama, bush, or anyone. they should be looked at closely because god really doesnt talk to people and tell them what to do, otherwise where does free will come in? oh, wait...free will...yeah...silly me...free to listen to god or not. and then you are going to explaiin to me, please, why two sides in a war both pray to god to deliver them a victory and one side wins and the other side loses and its because god likes the one side better than the other or because one side takes better orders from god than the other side? so god liked the north vietnamese better than the us and he is waiting to see which he likes best the us or iraqi insurgents. you see how silly this all can get? keep politics and religion separated and stop making the politicians pander to religion and stop allowing them to interject religion into politics. i mean really. and then we can also stop silly articles like this as well. who the heck would really care what mr. coe was up to if politicians didn't mill around him.

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Deborah, Baltimore, MD — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:07:51 GMT

This article, while catchy, strikes me as biased. Alluding to people like Hitler and Mao does not mean that he advocates their motives. It seems to me that he is making a point about how much evil people are willing to do when provided with strong leadership, and how much more good they should be willing to do in light of the leadership of Jesus. I see nothing wrong with this man. This article has been worded in a way that intentionally and obviously defaces him. These kind of articles and news reports have become far too common, and far too tiresome.

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Dan Ditto, Yazoo City, Mississippi — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:51 GMT

There is a surprise secret business interest, have undue influence in Washington, DC. It is like the sub-prime mortgage bail-out, all for the banks and builders and nothing for American families. America's two party system only works for the wealthy.

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Valdimir Lenin Red Square, Moscow. — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:43:15 GMT

Religion is the opiate of the masses.

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Draba, Champaign, IL — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:46:51 GMT

I'm glad to see you report on this.

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William Moore, Kaneohe, Hawaii — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:53:51 GMT

Thank you cmore for your insightful comment. Jesus did say that you had to put him above everything else. It is not false preaching to quote the Bible. I am a little uncomfortable with the comparisons to Hitler, and I doubt if I would use the same metaphors to my parish, but lets not lose sight of the fact that Jesus did demand a lot of us. He was God after all. And if a preacher is reminding his flock of the cost of those demands, what is the issue?

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Darren7160 — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:13:11 GMT

I agree that the article was long on insinuation and short on facts. I would hope for more from a professional new organization. There isn't enough there to make an informed decision either way, and as the first person noted, it leaves open the question of the intent of the writer.

As to the second comment, written all in caps... I fail to see what is being revealed?

This article really does leave a lot to be desired.

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Adelaide, South Australia — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:40:00 GMT

Yeah... that was a pretty pointless article. Is it suddenly news that Jesus preached a message of complete devotion?

Amazing the lengths the media will goto to try and produce a selling story out of so much smoke

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Joanne Brozic — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:41:56 GMT

We've also learned the truth about Sam Brownback, Mike Enzi, Mark Pryor, Bill Nelson, John McCain, and Barack Obama. Looks like we'll be stuck with Cheney for president.

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Jango Davis, Houghton, NY — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:06:43 GMT

I spent a good majority of my younger years in evangelical, born-again churches and indeed graduated from an evangelical college. I have to cast my vote on the side of those who are wary of evangelicals. Hypocritical, narcissitic, and blindly seeking to enforce there beliefs on others, evangelicals for reinforce the priniple of teh seperation of church and state. The National Prayer Breakfast if a farce and should end.

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Don M.M. Booker — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:07:37 GMT

From rolling Stone such biased nonesense is to be expected. Not from NBC. Respect for the privacy and confidentiality of religious seekers, esp. famous ones, in no way implies a "secrative religious" cult. Would you like to publish a list of those attending confession, including a list of what was confessed, next?

Get real.

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Minnesota — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:01:13 GMT

Its Religous Radicalism if you ask me. I get scared to think what rights we will loose and what laws will be enacted and enforced based on the laws of the bible,.... as interpreted for us by the Government. I am spiritual, have my beliefs, but I don't expect everyone to live by my interpretations, beliefs and judgements. Hearing a polotician say that they will not "make up" their own laws based on interpetation, but make the laws based on the bible itself, hello its 2008, not BC people, its time to start living and stop judgeing. If we all believed and acted the same, the world would be pretty boring!

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JM, California — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:20:20 GMT

Religion provides many a great business opportunity, a great way to make a living. Douglas Coe is apparently quite successful at selling his version of "this product" and has developed a unique method to sell his message. The "sad" part of this story is that there are so many weak people out there, so many wanting someone else to tell them how to cope and proceed through life.

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In Chicago — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:25:18 GMT

I agree with CMORE in OK City. The news media needs to stop conjuring up issues and state the facts clearly - what does Coe and his "Fellowship" have to do with the current status of the US? Does he contribute to political issues? What makes him so secretive and incognito?
Just state the facts and don't keep us in Limbo.

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Paul Houston, TX — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:02:42 GMT

to Jeff O'key of Tucson

If all the people who attend Coe's meetings are praying, who is it they pray to if they feel the need to wage war in Iraq while claiming to be Christian. George W. is a hypocrite. Why do we reward the Bear STearns of the world with a bailous and let poor homeowners go under? (I have no sympathy for greedy investors who lose homes). Why does the richest nation in the world have 47 Million uninsured people who cannot obtain medical treatment? Why do we have so many people including children who go to bed hungry at night? Why do we ingore our injured veterans? Why do we have so many homeless when we give more tax breaks to the rich? I thought Jesus said, sell everything and give to the poor. It is a said commentary when many of these people in our government are unwilling to follow true Christian principles.

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Patricia, Los Angeles, CA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:04:18 GMT

Once again, we find God being villified and not those who practice it in their own rather misguided way. As a life-long Christian, I see no reason to use Hitler as a metaphor for anything, religious or otherwise. That being said, this is a free country, which has guaranteed us the rights under the Constitution to practice religion and free speech. How we choose to use it reflects not on God, but on those who use God as the talisman for rhetoric that is neither helpful nor dare I say Christ-like.

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eve gulfcoast — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:23:37 GMT

What a crock...MSNC is pulling for Obama and against Clinton...that is the bottom line of reports like this. Shame on them!

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Mark KY — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:24:46 GMT

Another hit job by NBC against Hillary Clinton. Totally disgusting. It is sad to see the likes of Tom Brodaw losing his journalistic credibility to stay in line with Matthews and Russert. Olbermann never had any. He's a sportscaster.

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Greg, Seattle, Wash. — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:58:11 GMT

A typically softball "investigation" meant to distract from the fact that the NBC organization could not possibly more in the Clinton camp. Between The Tonight Show, the Nightly News, the entire MSNBC organization and even entertainment programs like SNL, it's hysterical how far up the Clinton wazoo NBC is. From the web pages to the TV screen, you can be sure to get a fresh Clinton breeze when visiting any NBC property. You're all hip to this, right?

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Jim kelley Miami Fl — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:31:46 GMT

this is a non article article. Obama - Mccain - Clinton and all the presidents and many of congress have been to these meetings. Are you suggesting that we throw them all out or just the Clintons

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Anne, Richmond VA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:03:02 GMT

Oh for goodness' sake! The beginning of the story says that Hillary likely attended the meetings to get to know other Senators, and it says that ALL THREE CANDIDATES--Hillary, Obama, AND McCain have attended. There is nothing sinister here!!

I love my church and my pastor, but I don't agree with everything my pastor says. I think it's been very unfair to vilify Barack Obama for the statements of his former pastor. Nor do I think any of the three candidates should be vilified for having gone to the Senate's prayer breakfasts.

I had the fortune (misfortune) of growing up "inside the beltway" and my father spent a lot of his career working for the Senate. There is nothing sinister here, just hardworking folks trying to get a job done. We are lucky to have three fine candidates (I'll be voting democratic, but I'm a die-hard liberal) who all have character, and who all understand the three branches of government set up by our founding fathers. It's time to stop all the negativity and let each candidate focus on their own strengths--we are smart enough to decide for ourselves which of these three can lead our country!!

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JDR, Redmond, Washington — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:05:24 GMT

The article says: "They go to small weekly Senate prayer groups that Coe attends. Participants tell NBC News that so have senators John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, which those campaigns confirm."
Why then is the article focusing on Hillary Clinton? What is the point the authors want to make?
I have a big favor to ask them: could you PLEASE stop behaving as tabloid "reporters" and start focusing on the issues that REALLY MATTER?

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Lucy Ford, Suwanee, GA — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:02:09 GMT

What a load of hooey!

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Wisconsin — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:05:41 GMT

Once again the cults are revealed. Doesn't it bother anyone else that most of our national leaders do one of two terrible things: 1) Believe that talking to an invisible man will cause things to happen in the real world; or 2) are willing to pander to those who believe the same thing even when they don't themselves. This is really scary.

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Athena, Plano, TX — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:09:28 GMT

Coe sounds like someone who has spent years leveraging his connections into more connections--a wanna-be power broker, as evidenced by the subject matter of his sermons. How he uses his power, for what purposes, to what ends, is the larger question.

In any case, it doesn't sound like Hillary is part of his "chosen group" or whatever. He probably represents one of many constituencies and interest groups, however weird or spooky, that politicians have to be familiar with and benignly disposed towards.

The Clintons' pastor from Arkansas was my pastor later here in TX (it's in my blog), and his preaching is fairly non-controversial (though he does favor the ordination of women, rare in Southern Baptists). Whether your pastor is from First Baptist or First Methodist, odds are he or she is going to be mainstream enough.

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Joe Cusano, NY City — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:30:29 GMT

Send the reporter back to school. What is most disturbing is the number of people who have commented that they are "frightened" by people who like to pray together. This is probably one of the least evil of all events that happen in Washington DC. I wish Teddy, Chuck and John would show up there once in a while. … I'm "appalled".

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Ed S., Austin, TX — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:31:59 GMT

Why do humans, even ones whom one would think would know better, so adamantly need to attribute their/our existence to supernatural beings? Where was god in the universe when the big bang went off? Is heaven a different universe? Isn't religion just the political power manifestation of mans inability to explain the universe?

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TERRI DAVIS GOOSE CREEK , SC 29445 — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:32:00 GMT

I APPLAUD THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE THE MEDIA WAS ALL TOO READY TO BASH OBAMA FOR HIS ASSOCIATION WITH REVEREND WRIGHT AND HERE YOU HAVE NOT ONE, BUT MANY POLITICIANS ALIGNING THEMSELVES WITH THIS MAN!NO WONDER AMERICA IS IN SUCH DISARRAY! PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES(MEDIA, CLINTONIANS, REPUBLICANS)SHOULDN'T THROW STONES, PALIN AND SIMPLE!!!

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CRC, Columbus, OH — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:38:54 GMT

I was disappointed that NBC did not dig deeper into the story and reveal that Doug Coe and President Bush are cousins. A member of one of the world's most powerful families, he is also a third cousin of former UK Primer Minster Sir Winston Church and a cousin of Country Music legend David Allan Coe.

I loved the piece, however. It's about time someone pulled back the wraps to reveal the wizard behind the curtain. The American Ayatollahs and their ilk are a greater threat to America and our way of life than Bin Laden and his friends will ever be.

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PMR, Denver — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:04:25 GMT

our nations political structure, especially the Republican party of which I am a member, has truly been hijacked by the religous right. Maybe thats why mcCain is doing so well.

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PHIL O'D PODONNELL@LIVE.COM — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:24:55 GMT

HOW CAN IT BE A SECRETIVE RELIGION IF SO MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, AND I FOR ONE WOULD RATHER HAVE OUR POLITICANS PRAY ABOUT THEIR VOTES THE TO JUST VOTE ANY WHICH WAY, SO WAY IF MS. CLINTON ASK THIS MR. COLE FOR SPIRITUAL ADVICE, SHE PROBABLY NEEDED IT MORE THEN ANYONE AT THAT TIME, SO STOP MAKING A MOUNTAIN OUT OF A MOLE HILL, LEARN TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS JESUS LOVED YOU

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Peggy, Chicago, IL — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:48:01 GMT

I can only hope that the main stream media pays as much attention to this as the did with the Rev. Wright. Can we see Coe and Sen. Clinton on a 24 hour loop too? Or is this topic just a little to close to home?

Thank you Andrea and MSNBC for bringing out a story that many in the internet world have known about for weeks.

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marie engle gypsy@mrtc.com — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:02:34 GMT

I agree, the media is grabbing at straws trying t find a story--pretty sorry job of reporting,HUH???

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Jay, Boone, NC — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:05:35 GMT

As long as there are people there will be corruption, sycophants, zealots and psychopaths. Nazi Germany was a good example of citizens turning there eyes away from what their government was doing because things were going well for them. Suddenly a large portion of the population is gone and here are there houses and possessions for sale at low prices! Ignore the ashes. I agree, what brains cells were popping in his brain when he compared Jesus to Hitler, why not mention Gandhi . . . commitment? Complacency. I mean I would try and make a difference but well, I'm gonna go take a nap.

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marthastanford19@bellsouth.net — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:19:43 GMT

Since the prayer breakfast is inclusive of many religious beliefs, participating doesn't seem to indicate any affinity with other participant's ideas. This seems to be "reaching" much too hard for a serious connection among these people.
"yawning in SC"

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kravitz — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:08:40 GMT

so let's see...Hillary begs for the endorsement from right winger Richard Mellon Scaife...any connection to this group?

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BobHudson — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:25:16 GMT

I have questions concerning the National Prayer Breakfast Meeting (NBPM).
Does the Foundation receive any government funding to support the NBPM.
Do government employees attend the NBPM while on duty?
Do they receive any per diem or other compensation for attending the NBPM?
Are tickets necessary to attend the NBPM?
If so, does the government buy any?
Do government employees use alternate work schedules or flex time to incorporate attendance at NBPM meetings into compensable work schedules?
Wouldn’t most people attending rather be somewhere else?

Some questions on the weekly senate prayer meetings include:
Are these regularly scheduled meetings held on government property?
If the above is true, is the government compensated?
Are the senators on the payroll when they attend these meetings?
At least some senators would rather be somewhere else I am sure.

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George Bradley, Alpine,TX — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:11:30 GMT

A total Clinton hit job. Very disappointing so-called reporting. Whoever brought this story to NBC should be fired as well as those who approved it. If I were Brian Williams, I would be embarrassed to be a part of such stories. There was no substance to this "news" item, no real tie to Hillary other than whatever inuendo one might care to make of it. NBC News should be ashamed of their attempt to dump on the Clintons.
This story is what ought to be used with the Hitler/Mao analogy--trying to strongly influence who the demo candidate will be in Nov. I find it difficult to believe that NBC News thinks we all are that stupid. Time to try ABC or CBS for awhile.

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I Love America a Canadian citizen out of America citizen we LOVE YOU — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:12:35 GMT

Let's get it right folks It's CHURCH then State thats why america is in a state it is in you ought to have your country organized by those who are compassionate about all people of all faiths so America keep GOD in your life GOD shed HIS Grace on Thee America

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Mekhong Kurt, Bangkok, Thailand — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:14:09 GMT

As a writer and a former teacher of writing, both for many years, I'm rather surprised that Coe would use such metaphors, especially if he does so as frequently as the article implies. To use such a metaphor once in a great while where the calculation is to derive some shock value from its use is one thing; routinely working it into speeches and sermons is at least debatable.

As for this article itself, a number of other folks responding here have rightly pointed out it is highly biased, in more ways than one. It does imply there's something inherently wrong with Christianity -- and while maybe there is, NBC isn't the provider of judges of value, something reporters sometimes forget they most assuredly are not. Even if I privately share their suspicion (and I'm not saying one way or the other, since my thoughts on that are completely beside the point), I still would have sent this story back had I been the editor. (Which, by the way, means the editor has to get stuck with some of the responsibility.)

Get out of attack mode.

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Bill Rodgers, Mt. Pleasant, SC — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:18:03 GMT

Anyone who puts God before the needs and happiness of his fellow man is ripe for being recruited by someone or some organization who say they know what God wants. These recruits often become a principle source of pain and suffering for others by turning a blind and destructive eye towards humanity. No doubt you've heard of Charles Manson and friends, The Crusades, Jim Jones and grape Kool-Aid, suicide bombers and the Taliban.
May I always be an agnostic that loves life and people. I don't want God to save me; I want to be saved from God.

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Osamah, Paisley, Scotland — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:26:55 GMT

I agree that Religious interpretation or personal beliefs should not be given as absolute unquestionable drivers for goverment, national and international policies. But it is a fact of life that while the adminstration of a nation is supposed to be secular, abolutely no-one is personally secular, it is not possible. Everyone need soemthing to believe in, even if it's aethiesm.

Most if not all Religion, or 'reli - on' as I sometimes call it has something good to offer our leaderships, justice, and people in general, they all have 'good advice' and guidence to promote, it's just that every once in a while some one insists on declaringthat their way is the only 'right' way, and surprisingly this insistance seems to come from followers of the three primary theocracies.

But if anyone researches the unspoken masses of these self same theocracies you will find taht many who wlk the mid-path, live their lives in what most of society can only call decency, honor, respect, kindness, justice, integrity, and warmth. These are common traits vested in most human beings... irrespective of heritage, education, or path taken.

Religion is not a good or bad thing, it is what is done supposedly under its banner that matters. Just as with democracy. Just look at Turkey, a supposed secular democratic state had outlawed the headscarf for University attendees.

I was of the understanding that, democracy and secularism was about neutralising leans towards personal beliefs that might force one persons interpretations on others.

But lets be honest,helping your kith and kin is a natural instinct. The question is to what extent and how Just is the help and support.

The fact that 'people' get together and pray is good, it is when you find out that money is involved, nepotism and secracy that it gets murky.

It is time that people really tried to understand what secularism, democracy, equality and integrity are all about.

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Noman, Southern California — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:31:15 GMT

This non-article was obviously written to try and generate some kind of fire under Hillary of the type Obama has recently endured. Flawed logic and a cheap shot. You can't be serious. For those who use "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" as an excuse to justify your hate of religion, well you have other issues that you are hiding behind your malice. To suggest that it is somehow illegal for the inhabitants of the White House to exercise freedom of religion is really the height of ignorance and shows a complete lack of logic. You want the power to control others actions and justify your desire to do so by claiming to defend freedom. What a hoot.

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Ernestine McComas, 77 Cornerstone Circle , Culloden, Wv 25510 — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:33:47 GMT

It warms my heart after all the negative news we hear out of Washington that there is someone preaching the love of truth and honor and dedication to our savior(Jesus Christ) and wouldn't you know there are also the Pharisees
sanding in judgment who won't do right and abuse all who will

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Andy Boehm, Santa Barbara, California — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:34:55 GMT

Great story!! It's particularly relevant given the enormous, guilt-by-association media brouhaha about Barack Obama's pastor. Let's see if anyone has the guts to suggest that the Reverend Wright's inflammatory assertions were merely a "metaphor." And what about that "strength" that Hillary Clinton says the Hitler-admiring, spiritual "mentor," Douglas Coe, provided for the Clintons in their hour(s) of need?? Hitler was also a spiritual mentor to many Germans in their darkest days in the Depression.

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Sandi, FB, TN — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 02:39:04 GMT

I agree with cmore 100%. I don't think it matters to a lot of the media all the good things Hillary and Bill Clinton did while he was in office. Its like you are on a witch hunt. You mentioned Barack Obama went there as well. Why isn't he being looked at closer? Your news and CNN news makes me glad there is FOXNEWS out there if you want to get the good and bad on ALL candidates, not just the bad on the ones the news stations don't want in the White House. Many of you seem to be pushing for Obama for president but I still don't know of anything much he has did. I never even heard about him til he became a presidential candidate.

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Rita — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:06:35 GMT

Hey Peg in Chicago- Obama and John McCain will have to be on that around the clock loop, too! I've known about the prayer breakfast for a long time {years}. Rev. Wright has damed America and blames the white man for the black mans woes. Now the Africa-Americans that I work with are saying this kind of talk{Rev. Wright's} goes on in church every Sunday. Bunk, I don't believe these people would sat there and let there children be subjected to this sort of language. Now all the Obama supporters are saying it's really not all that bad. His supporters were probably as surprized as the rest of us. Obama has got a free ride and the Media is high-jacking our election. Hardball, Keith Olberman, Cnn News, Msnbc, Fox, and the like, have all bash or given way to weight to a now story, This Prayer Breakfast non story is a perfect example. I have almost stopped watching them. Morning Joe seams to be a little more balanced but even he has a lot of Obama supporters as guest { so maybe even he's an act}. Let all the states finish voting and let the chips fall where they may. The popular vote is the most important part of all this,because it reflects the peoples decision .This delegate and super delegate stuff is the pitts, and should be done away with.

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carmen springfield mo — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:29:33 GMT

You have to put me before other people. And you have to put me before yourself.' Hitler, that was the demand to be in the Nazi party. You have to put the Nazi party and its objectives ahead of your own life and ahead of other people."

Let's see. Last I knew isn't EVERY soldier in our military taught this? That a soldier is to put his country's benefit before himself? That he gives up his life to follow an order even if he doesn't want to.???????????????
I see nothing wrong with the logic, its the CAUSE that makes the logic either right or wrong.

Furthermore, Hitler KILLED many innocent people. I fail to read in the Bible where Jesus killed anyone. He healed people.

Besides all of this, what on EARTH does it have to do with anything election related at all. ? He isn't Hilary's pastor?

Also, I have heard, do not know if it is true? that Obama attends an all black church that basically does not welcome whites?

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carmen springfield mo — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 03:36:25 GMT

If we all believed and acted the same, the world would be pretty boring!

That isn't true.
IF everyone followed the Ten Commandments the world would be safe and prosperous. Think of it.
There would be no more lying, stealing, cheating, having sex with your neighbor and his dog or his daughter, Their wouldn't be people ruining their health and letting their kids go hungry because they were smoking, drunk, or high on drugs. We wouldn't have to worry about school shootings because there wouldn't be murder or torture, or rape or kidnapping. I wouldn't have to cover my kids ears when the neighbors yell cursings at each other. I fail to see why that is so horrible and wrong to be teaching our kids. ?

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JAY md — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:09:14 GMT

Thank you NBC for reporting this story,this story has been floating around the web for a while even before the rev wright story. first off to the Hillary supporters, sen clinton is an actual member of the bible study group that is a branch of Coes group and she has been involved with these people well over 15 years and almost all of them are very conservative republicans. for anybody to defend doug coe is crazy because this man first off is not even a minister what makes him qualified to be preaching about jesus? doug coe preaches about biblical capitalism, military power ,globalization, his group has a history of supporting, right-wing dictators for decades and I believe they are source to the neocon and fascist policies that have put this country in the direction that that rich get rich, and poor get poorer. Also this story explains why sen. clinton voted for the war and crossed party lines to vote or cosponsor bills with neocons like santorom, the
fellowship believes that the elite matters and that god chose them to rule the mass societies of the world and they believe in american dominance.
So if people think Hillary clinton goin to bring the troops home,dont get your hopes up,the fact that she involved this group guarantees that all but maybe one or two thousands american troops will be ramaining in Iraq with years come. Oh ALSO, guess who donated 1.5 million to the fellowship that was used to build a mansion for them ? THE CEO OF RAYTHEON,THAT COMPANY IS A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR THAT IS CURRENTLY WORKING IN IRAQ,YEP THE FELLOWSHIP HAS CEO'S AS MEMBERS ALONG WITH THE POLITICIANS. FASCISM HAS INVADED CAPITOL HILL AND HILLARY IS KNEE DEEP IN IT, SHE WILL NOT BRING THE TROOPS HOME!

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Angus - Burlingame, Ca — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:35:16 GMT

It's all about JFK's "Gnomes of Zurich" our politicians are ALL beholden to one group or another - any time a politician takes money he/she is prostituting their beliefs (if they have any) - does noone see how ridiculous a system is when politicians are bought due to the neccesity of fundraising - why not have a system where they are NOT allowed to take private money and have an equal opportunity to broadcast their message via all media - this system is insane and nothing will change in our lifetimes - Unfortunately.

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CM, Modesto, CA — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:39:12 GMT

Ironically, Hitler considered himself to be a devout Christian who felt he was doing "God's work", that he was destined to complete what Jesus left unfinished - the destruction of the "evil Jewish race".

Now I can't read Mr. Coe's mind, I'm not sure if he merely chooses bad examples, or if he is a crypto-fascist that really does admire powerful figures like Hitler and Stalin. But I do find that demanding so much devotion as to favor the church over family and self, demanding a willingness to give all, to be horribly cultish and reason for serious concern

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Aaron, Wellman, IA — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:51:25 GMT

I find it bizzare on this, the fortieth anniversary of the martyrdom of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., to hear so many strident voices calling for the complete seperation of religion and politics.

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Sifu, somewhere in China — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:24:35 GMT

OK, PAY Attention. Seek the truth. You are either a follower of Peace and Harmony, OR you are a follower of Hatred and War. Who are these people, 'the family'? (you can figure it out, you're not stupid) Who were MLK and Ghandi? Who were Hitler and... Why is this organization (the family) secret, if it does good things? Can you say "illuminati"? How about the 'new nazis'? They are all the same if they are willing to sacrifice even one life in the name of their own power mongering agenda. And everyone seems to put so many words in the mouth of a guy who lived and died over 2000 years ago (Jesus?). Let's ride that bandwagon and make it fit our own power agenda. HUMANS, you are not worth the word. GROW UP and get out of that self-centered viewpoint that destroys the world. There truly is only ONE way, and it's not the way of 'the family', or any other religion. Religion is the most destructive force that humans have ever invented. (yes, humans invented religion for holding power over other humans). Don't take my word for it (I don't want you to give me your power), just WAKE UP.

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Sifu, somewhere in China — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:31:04 GMT

Lets all try to create life, not death. Let's get away from the self-centered, childish viewpoints that start wars over greed and control issues, which come from a rudimentary fear of nothing more than an illusion created by "different beliefs" (primarily different religions). Would you run a business like the way we are "running" the world, where everyone would certainly cut the throats of everyone else for their own gain? It's bound to lose.

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Karrie, Georgia — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 06:51:24 GMT

It is eye opening and very alarming to read all of the previously posted comments. The teaching of Jesus and Hitler cannot even be remotely compared. Show me where it says in the Bible that Jesus promoted the destruction of a society based on appearance. Jesus promoted peace even when being attacked and killed.

If Coe really does promote the Hitler beliefs then it is concerning. If his organization is legitimate, then why all of the secrets surrounding it? Personally, the media is so biased and corrupted that I do not trust much of what is put out there. The wonderful thing about the United States is that we have freedom of religion. You do not have to believe the way that I do, but you also do not have the ability to persecute me for it (at least at this point).

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Marcia Judkins — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:55:48 GMT

what you fail to realize is there are many religions in the world but only one that offers a relationship. a relationship with Jesus Christ brings salvation. salvation is what Christ paid for on the cross for every nation and every tongue it is a gift from God for all those who believe in Jesus Christ.if you have a relationship with Jesus Christ you don't turn it off to become politically correct,this relationship is not what you do it is who you are, as a representive of Christ's love for humanity.religion kills it demands we do something to be justified where as Jesus saves all we need to do is receive his love, his gifts and his grace. man is always learning but never coming to the knowledge of truth. 2 Timothy:3,7

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Luis Villa — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 08:24:58 GMT

NBC, it is crystal clear that you all are with Obama's band wagon...what a shame...pathetic.

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bob walker — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:07:48 GMT

People have all kinds of unusual beliefs and I believe that people should have freedom afforded to them. I am sure that there is always danger from the
fringe groups. I do not even believe in all the things I used to 20 some odd years ago. I would hope that the group helps people and tries to leave behind a better world behind.

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J. David Buxton, Little Rock, AR — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 09:13:50 GMT

Show me Jesus - in the meantime God, the Easter Bunny and Santa can wait in line...right behind Jesus, its cool. Do i have a problem with a canidate who belives in something he/she cant prove exists? or has no way to prove exisits? yup, yup, yes sir....got me on that 1; in the meantime I see democrocy taking a hit around these parts when a leader goes to brunch with God...I called on God...he said to write a nasty comment on this site.

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Edmond M. Khoury, Beirut, Lebanon — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:31:53 GMT

At last there is a person in the USA who stands up for the Gospel of Christ. I dont see anything wrong is using metaphors from daily life (or the past) to get your message through. I have not heard of Doug Coe before reading this article, but being from the Middle East, surrounded by calls to Islam right left and center, why cant we Christians do the same!
Keep up the good work!

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Tony, Illinois — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:27:48 GMT

That is some scarry stuff. Vote for Obama. He is has been very candid with us about his faith. How can someone bring us together as a team if they think that they are above the rest of us, or entitled to something that only the people have the right to give? By the way, I like John McCain, although he is republican, and does not hold his integrity all the time on certain issues, I think he would make a good president as well (but Obama is the real deal, he has the charisma and strength of character to put our country back together, not to mention the world would look at us differently immediately)

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Harry Covert, Alexandria, VA — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:36:16 GMT

The Fellowship is a fine group. Doug Coe and his staff doe a good job. Individual spiritual growth should be promoted and does assist those in demanding positions. There is nothing sinister or uncaring about those prayer breakfasts or lunches. They're positive. And blessings to many people.

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Pam, MI — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:41:37 GMT

Several of you apparently forget that the president and family live in the White HOUSE; in other words, this is a residence, so what's wrong with Hillary having a visitor in her home? Your shut-in neighbor can have a priest come to their home for mass, but Hillary can't have a religious leader to the House for a discussion? Just because someone attends a Prayer Breakfast and has a religious leader to the White House doesn't mean church will have any influence over state. Too many people quote separation of church and state without understanding the real meaning behind the phrase. When this phrase was written, it simply meant that this country would not have an official religion, like our enemy at the time, England (ever heard of the Church of England? If you were an English subject, you HAD to be a member of their church!!). The real issue here is that this article was poorly researched and written. Many religious statements are taken out of context, simply because the so-called researcher neglected to do the work necessary to find the meaning behind the statement. Religious beliefs can't be summed up in handy soundbites.

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D Kort New England — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:59:11 GMT

Lets start with...To the flag and the United States of America... UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.. Certainly there are traditions.... Certainly leaders must worship... And how hard is it to worship when everyone wants to get to you to talk? I thank God everyday for freedom and gifts he has given me.. Much less the leaders of our country needing somewhere to go.. to thank god they survived another week.. Perhaps helped a few people... Searching for guidance... It certainly doesnt come from man... It must come from above....Life, Liberty , and the pursuit of happiness.... Out country was founded on religious freedom... and ownership of property..

Imagine...No freedom of religion.. No ownership of Property as well....Critics of all who lead the nation... How weak is this?.. What kind of weakness are showing the world.. We need to be united and strong as a nation.... One People.
And yes Our Nation was founded by Christians..
Certainly all have been welcomed... Remember freedoms ...Religion, Speech, Pursue Happiness.. When we are told , what to do it is not longer a Democracy... Everyone has these rights.. Even are Politicians...We only have the right to decide whether to vote for them or not...

I will not give up my right to worship the Lord Jesus Christ....and to speak freely.. Nor will I ask others to do the same..

The old saying..Tune In, Turn Off, Drop Out can also mean if you dont like the country... There is a Door... Im proud to be an American..A Citizen of The United States.. My country .. Right or Wrong.. AND sometimes I blush.. But must always stand up with hand over my heart when they play the anthem...

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bizarro preacher — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:39:02 GMT

People with religious views are people who cannot tell the difference between concepts and reality. In my view they should not be in office.

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Will White. Twin Falls, Idaho — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:40:27 GMT

The ir-religious right has an agenda that is very un-American, not to mention dangerous to any people loving liberty and freedom. Democracy would be quickly tossed aside were this small group to gain complete control.

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Randy, Falls Church VA — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:58:51 GMT

These guys make $100,000 and are suspect. Hillary and bill make $109 MILLION and they are okay. Sheesh

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Ed in Los Angeles — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:08:27 GMT

What a misguided witch-hunt and book promo event this article appears to be. Is this an MSNBC docu-drama a la Clooney or Moore? Arguing against the merits of Mitchell & Popkin's political schtick would be giving it credit it does not deserve. How many tedious hours did the 5-person editorial support team spend to make this story less desperate for meaning and slightly more believable than "National Treasure?" Truly a "Rolling Stone" piece of...um...journalism.

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Victoria, Detroit, Mi — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:09:18 GMT

This article was a sneaky, almost slimey attempt to get us all thinking Hillary is into some secretive organization. Blah, blah, BLAH. I am voting for McCain but I know an attempt to cast doubts, and this it is!

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Scott Bruns, Grand Rapids, Michigan — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:21:54 GMT

Enough already! This may be an innocent excercize of free thought and speech but it smacks of scandal searching in the now familiar religious arena. With so many real problems confronting the country are there not better topics for consideration?

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Nanci, Butler, PA — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:26:53 GMT

I honestly don't see the point of this story. It's full of inferences as others have mentioned.

If all three candidates have participated in various events put on by the Fellowship, then what's the story here?

And, since the National Prayer Breakfast has been going on since Eisenhower's time, why wasn't a subject of your investigative reporting before now if they are oh, so dangerous, as you imply?

And did you do any digging on the guy who's writing the book? What is his back story. As a former member of the Fellowship, it would be interesting to know whether or not he has a particular axe to grind. I imagine he's not an objective observer.

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gv, kailua, HI — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:53:08 GMT

. . . deeply held superstitious beliefs in a sky god . . . John Doe, I love it!
You have summed up modern Christian faith in a nutshell. No different than any other past culture's belief in "sky gods," except that to the Christians, their god is "true" and the others were/are 'false."

I just love people who are grounded in reality. You made my day, thanks.

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jo ann reed — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:11:13 GMT

I agree that this article on Coe is inflammatory. It is a non-article! Tell me more about the hate-monger Wright in Chicago who influences youth and politial leaders to the detriment of our country!!!!! This should stay on the front page!!!

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Mary, Detroit MI — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:29:22 GMT

Is this author truly condeming a religious group and it's founder, who have been praised by ten U.S. President's, or is this just another way to condemn Hillary Clinton?
1) Eisenhower and all presidents since have attended yearly prayers meetings.
2) This religious group consists mainly of Republican politicians.
3) McCain, Obama and Hillary Clinton have attended. Hillary says this is a way in which she has able to meet and know Republican Senators on a more personal rather than political level.
4) The author of the article chooses to 'BASH' Clinton ... no one else.

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renee,Tx — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:44:43 GMT

The comment that Mr.Coe made about Hitlar, Lennin, and Mao, he never mentioned anywere in the article that he agreed with these men.Jesus said "Put no one before me". Hitlar got the German party to put noone else before him, Linnon had followers that he commanded and they put him before anything else, and this Mao he had his followers kill to prove their alligence to him. So everyone wants to know why they dont use MLK, or Gandi as metaphor, because neither one of them made their followers put him(MLK, Gandi)before their families. And it is a crying shame that people should have to come out in the open, with their religion, last time I checked that was my right as a US citizen and also my right given to me by my constitution. This country is going down the hill and why, because we are so worried about things that don't amount to a hill of beans. Like celebrities, their personal life, how much money they make, or who they are sleeping with, WHO CARES. And we should be asking our candadates, ALL OF THEM, just were they stand on the issues of this country, how they are going to keep this country safe, how are they going to bring more jobs into this country, and how we can keep the jobs that we have in this country. We say that we are united lets prove it. Let's stop worrying about the unimportant things and demand that these politicians put their money where their mouth is, and make them stop telling us they care about our country and start showing us. Because frankly I have not seen anything that would suggest that anyone of the politians care about much of anything other than to see who can bash who better. and the media is on the band wagon, except for one big difference, if the media doesn't have enough of the story to write an artical on it then they have a tendancy to inject some of their own views into so that it comes out in a better light. Lets stop bashing each other and demand some real work out of our politicans, not just excuses.

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Barbara , RI — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:45:13 GMT

Extremely interesting...this is one of the venues they apparently use to discuss their means to an end. Mr.Coe seems to be the head of a secret society similar to the Trilateralists (sp?). To invoke Jesus' name in this "religion" is indeed heresy. The Evil one always twisted biblical words to trick people (starting with Eve).

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Wes, Oxnard. Ca. — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:04:11 GMT

It seems that this blog called "Deep Background" doesn't quite live up to it's name, for this report anyway. Just who and what are you trying to bring out into to the open? A political figure with a spiritual quide is only as deep and secrative as reading history book's, may I suggest starting with the earliest document's and writing's known to exist? How does telling us that Coe doesn't grant interviews immediately place him in the chain's of "diabolical conspiracy". Where is the other side of this story? My 6 year old nephew will tell me all the "dirt" and what other "children" did or didn't do in a most dramatic display, to avoid and keep the truth from coming out so he can avoid a time-out! Why does a man and his organization come under fire when one name is stated, Jesus? Why is Jesus and His teaching so threatening? I see nothing but fear of losing some sort of political power, financial power and personal power as a driving force behind this article under some sort of guise that a man who teaches in a way that threatens, who and what it threatens I don't know, so you call it conspiracy (I mean secretive). I have read this article over and over trying to see the deep and secretive subject, but to no avail! I am begining to think that you are showing me I should check out this Jesus a little more seriously, especially since you cannot, without the bias of political, financial, personal or religous power loss present just the facts.

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Phil Herr, Citronelle, AL — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:25:50 GMT

Secretive is the wrong word. The correct one is "discrete". Mr. Coe realizes that most media contact will result in attempts to distort his words and purposes. He has simply chosen not to walk into the trap. The fact that his ministry is widely respected across the full political spectrum speaks for itself. The bad guys here are the ones who try to make something dirty out of any visible manifestation of faith.

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Nathan Kindt, Mount Gilead Ohio — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:15:22 GMT

Where are you heading in this day to pick on Christians like you do. There is freedom of religion guaranted by the Bill of Rights. Christians all over the world are divided within themselves. One day maybe all the divisions of Christianity will be able to join together again. But that day probably will happen at the reckoning. PLEASE print something that would make a difference in our world today.
For starters why do we pay such high prices for fuel of all kinds yet the Oil Companies continue to make record profits. Seems to me this has helped to cause our current recession that is only starting. When these oil prices effect the price of a simple item like dog food then it is toime to investigate WHY. Dog food has recently jumped from $11.99/50 pounds to as big $15.99/50 pounds. Grocers and suppliers are both being hit and raise their prices because of the FUEL PRICES. It now cost more to use fuel than any other time in the history of America. Let us ban together and find out why this gouging is being done. This would be a better story rather than Bash the Christians or the faith of Washington.

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Randy, Meridian, Idaho — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:41:50 GMT

With the exception of those who demanded that the article here also expose and question Obama, and McCain, and not single out Clinton, the rest I laugh at. Every facet of belief has jumped on their own band wagon to defend or dispute the article in their perspective. What a vetriole of personal agenda, and to lambast another for the same thing. No wonder this nation has become emasculated!

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shirley coffman- ottawa,kansas — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 19:47:44 GMT

prayer anywhere or anytime is a great relief for stress. thank the veterans from the beginng of the united states to present time for the right to pray but coe sound alittle off and misquoting of the words of god. prayer belongs any where you feel like having it and that includes the white house and anyone who wants to attend.

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Mary Alice Richert — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:26:45 GMT

Bill Nelson? From Florida? The senator I have been supporting for years? What is that all about?

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Priscilla Bowers, Westlake,La.70669 — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:33:02 GMT

RE; POLITICAL Ties: THANK "GOD" not one of these poeple said "GOD DAMN AMERICA." That "really" stuck in my craw.

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J smith, Oswego, NY — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:05:23 GMT

Such rubbish. To say that ..."one of the things [Jesus] said is 'If any man comes to me and does not hate his father, mother, brother, sister, his own life, he can't be a disciple' is nonsense. Jesus never preached the need to hate. The appropriate translation is that one has to leave one's family, command one's own life and then commit to Jesu as an independent, grown-up...hatred has nothing to do with it or with any of the messages of Jesus. Does Doug read the same Bible the rest of us do?

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Jon - Tulsa, OK — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:14:19 GMT

If one actually reads this article, they will see that Obama & McCain were reported to have attended these meetings, as well as Ms. Clinton. Hillary fans - please relax.

If a Christian were to actually read this article, they would see that Coe compares Hitler & his top two henchmen to Christ, using them as examples of people who command/demand complete commitment. Christians, if you wish people to "lay off: of you, I suggest disassociating yourselves from lunatics who would devalue your Lord, and go against his teachings.

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Link, Sioux Falls, SD — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:37:27 GMT

If this fellow is trying to promote unquestioning devotion to Jesus, he sure picks some awful examples. If anything, he demonstrates that blindly following a person or organization often leads to unspeakable evil. I don't think that Nazis, Communists, or Medieval Crusaders are people we should endeavor to emulate. We ought to learn lessons from the mistakes of the past. But then again, the motto of our time appears to be "Live and don't learn". (Thats why we're bogged down in Iraq...Vietnam didn't teach us anything apparently...sigh)

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David Talbott, Mount Hermon, California — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:43:38 GMT

I have known several of the principals in The Fellowship for years, and have found them to live quiet, modest, and influential lives for pointing people to a reliance on God. In a world of incredible pressures on political leaders, it seems helping people to rely on their faith is hard to criticize. I attended the Ntl Prayer Breakfast for the first time in February, and found it Christ-centered and inspirational, without a hint of political agenda. Over 160 nations were represented at the event. Surely something of significance is happening that is attractive to many. Doug Coe was not even introduced at the event. Because he chooses anonymity over platform spotlights, does that make him secretive and suspicious? It seems the media does not know how to handle true humility and selfless dedication without political agendas. Over 300 volunteers helped operate the Prayer Breakfast events. Obviously something of significance is going on. What's the beef?

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Craig Gurgew, Hendersonville, NC — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:08:34 GMT

As the co-author of the book, Judging God, I must say that political candidates will always pretend to believe in the supernatural to procure votes. We are a long way off from an atheist president, but, if and when we finally have one sitting in the White House, I can assure you that all decisions will be made solely on logic, reason, and prudence...not on some ancient, antiquated myth!

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K.A. Tucson, AZ — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:12:21 GMT

Thanks for balancing your news with this!

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Tess MacGregor, Orlando, FL — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:22:20 GMT

For her next big conspiracy story, maybe Andrea Mitchell should reveal how her husband, Alan Greenspan, has been in cahoots with big business and how the Fed under Mr Greenspan managed to manipulate the banking industry much to the cost of American People

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Julie Mayfield, Atl GA — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:36:02 GMT

I am more disappointed everyday by the Clinton's and all their secrecy. They take in 100 million and lord their power over the common man. They care only about the power and $$$.

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Rick-Allouez, WI History Certified Educator — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:38:11 GMT

We are so much a pluralistic society in our country that any argument offered of turning into a theocracy is insane and bereft of any evidence. This line of expression is put forth by the media to screen any of their irresponsibility when it comes to just presenting a story "as is".
The people subscribing to this theory are either trendy intellectual wannabees or cheapshot artists who most likely have little personal responsibility of their own and have created the chaos they seek to justify by blaming those in power.
In spite of this line of thinking(and not because of separation of church and state)people of many faith are free (yes free, even various nutjobs you may not like.)to worship as they will. Not forced to under penalty of death as in Islam. Or under threat of lifelong imprisonment in Siberia.
"All american Mom" likes to drop "Jefferson, Franklin and the majority deists who formed this nation" as justification as a buffer from this and MANY other manifestation of the current status quo she disapproves of.
As a matter of historical record Franklin provided funding for Christian church construction in Pennsylvania. Jefferson wanted to avoid demoninational squabbles infighting. As far as his writing is concerned penned;
"The greatest of all the reformers...Jesus of Nazareth. Abstracting what is really His from the rubbish in which it is buried, easily distinguished by its luster from the dross of His biographers...we have the outlines of a system of the most sublime morality...outlines which it is lamentable He did not live to fill up."
Letter to Willliam Short, 1819.

In reality it was through deliberate prayer to a Christian God that this nation was formed and prospered while others devolved. And the current condition so despised has more to do with those who neglect their faith and responsibilties and cowards who aren't brave enough to embrace their heritage.
We are sooooo far from a theocracy. Sorry thought police.

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Richard Poor — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:47:14 GMT

Innuendo is not news. When might you deem it responsible journalism to give us comprehensive facts? If you want to report on things the government is doing right now that could bring an apocalypse, why don't you report on the new crop of nuclear weapons the USA is building?

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Michigan — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:14:38 GMT

To those poor misguilded souls that belive that the media and/or the world in general is picking on the "so called" christians allow me to advise you of a fact or two. First, this nation is being run by "christian leaders" or followers of christian leaders and if you haven't noticed, this country is in trouble on every front; economicly, diplomaticly, MORALLY, managerially, ect. We are deep in debt, maintaining a war in Afganistain that won't be won and another in Iraq that not only cann't be won but WE have no business being there in tha first place. Watching people get turned away from food kitchens and pantrys because of lack of resourses while at the same time providing tax breaks for the rich and their corperations. Hearing that there isn't enough tax money to fund health care, education, quality public housing, infra-structure (like sewage, drainage, bridges, schools, sea-walls), but plenty of money for prisons, DOD, Homeland Security, and public tax dollars for private energy companies to conduct research for alternitive energy (yea, right, sure.) Second, our "christian leaders" in the public sectors need to re-examine their priorities. When a national crisis occures or major problem arises they shouldn't go on vacation, or wring their hands saying "What con we do?" and take a few weeks to decide, or pass some relief package that is packed with pork for their home district or state, tax breaks for their real constituants (ie. their contributors), and some half-hearted solutions/funding that addresses part of the problem. The so called christian leadership of the private sector doesn't fare any better with such scandels as illicet affairs with prostitutes of both genders, drug and alcohol abuse, "GENEROUS" recompensation packages, and their failure to police their own ranks for their wrong doing (except for the Holy Roman Catholic Church, they jump right on any wrong doing of their leaders...as soon as it's exposed). So if you wish to say that our christian leaders are being picked on, go ahead, but beleave me, not only do they deserve it, they're getting off light.

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teachsci55@aol.com — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:22:40 GMT

Why if so many politicians have met with this man would you intentionally focus on Hillary?I think the nbc news organization needs to take a long look at itself and its unprofessional journalistic behavior.Having been a long time viewer(grew up watching Huntley/Brinkley,etc.),I find myself being forced to watch other news organizations.

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marlene-St Louis MO — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:38:42 GMT

Well - well now we find out that Coe is comparing Hitler to Jesus Christ and the Red Gaurd cutting off his mother head?? How twisted is that? And she wants to lead this nation. Right down the path to hell for the sake of satisfying her ever longing for power. And she talks about others. How hypocritical can one person be. No thanks-Bush is bad enough we don't need her getting in there.

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Rosa Frias — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:00:07 GMT

There is no way this metaphor of the followers of Jesus compare to your favorite "enlighten" chosen candidate was witnessing for 20 years at Rev.Wrights sermons. Demonizing whites or what he calls the "man" is dishonest,racist and biased. I am a Democrat from Florida and will not be voting for Obama, McCain will have my vote.

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Jay, Auburn, AL — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:19:47 GMT

Careful, people. You are showing your prejudices. You cannot lump all Christians into one category any more than you can lump all African-Americans into one category. While I do understand the concept of putting Christ first, I don't really get why he would compare that to Hitler. Yes, Hitler had blind followeres. But Christians are hardly blind followers. I would assume that these quotes are taken out of context and that there was an explanation somewhere in the sermon that has been left out. Christians do many, many loving and caring things in the world around us. They do NOT burn people at the stake. What you are saying is lumping all who call themselves Christian into one big sweeping category and you are WRONG. You are showing your prejudices. It is really strange that people get in such an uproar over Christianity. The ACLU will defend anyone's rights except for Christians. Christians are becoming hated because they take a stand. No, Christians are not perfect, but they are also not responsibile for the world's evils. Give me a break. Just because you've had a bad experience with a few people does not mean that all Christians are that way. Get educated and stop throwing out all-inclusive statements.

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aav — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:39:51 GMT

Jeff O'key was right on!! If the media wants to discuss religion and politics, let them start there.

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Linda, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:46:05 GMT

It is because of people like Coe that Christianity is so misunderstood. 1) You can't compare God or Christ to another person. God is the Creator, Christ is his son. There is no comparable person to do a comparison. 2) Jesus did not mean to "kill" your mom, dad etc: what he was saying was to take up your cross and follow only him, because he is love and truth. We are to love God and Christ above all, and love our brethren as ourselves. Our brethren since the advent of Christ is everyone, BTW. 3) Being a true follower of Christ is not some sort of secret society for the special, affluent etc. If it is a secret, then it is not of God. The Bible tells us to not hide our Light (Christlikeness) under a basket, but to be a living testimony of the truth and righteousness of God thru Christ: a light to the world. 4) Being a follower of Christ has nothing whatsoever to do with power. It has everything to do with becoming totally humble and maleable so God can work in and thru you to bring about his love and truth in a degenerate world. You'll note the Pharisees made the same error in Jesus' day: they believed the Messiah would come and and give them complete power. Instead, Jesus came to them as a humble carpenter to do his Father's will. Noted, we need love, truth and wisdom in our govt leaders to help turn the tide in this country. Unfortunately, all most are concerned about is power, money and I/me/my.

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ron, kansas city, mo — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:32:29 GMT

when the socialist start shooting people in the head that wont agree with them it'll be too late to ask GOD for help then people, your so worried about church and state, dont worry, hillary or hussien wont let any christian thought enter the realm.....

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dgh,Saint Petersburg,Fl — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:04:48 GMT

Grasping for straws MSNBC? Some need to stir the pot? Is Obama having a bad week or something?

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Maria McMurray, Eugene, Oregon — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:26:27 GMT

This is very concerning. It is not okay for this man to use Hilter as a metaphor -- that is very scary -- just as bad as Wright in my opinion.

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Letetia, Dothan , AL — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:52:53 GMT

We have heard a lot about Barack Obama's minister. Can anyone tell me anything about Hillary's minister, or even if she has one? If so, what are his/her basic beliefs?

Am I the only one who thinks it is disingenious for this website to end a video with a picture of Hillary alone beside a picture of Barrack with Rev. Wright?

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NELSON EGER — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:53:55 GMT

It is amazing that with all the problems in our society and our economy you waste news time to propagate inuendos about those that are particularly trying to do the right thing. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the perfect God and the perfect man. We, his followers, strive to persevere in all His virtues, such as love for country and love for our neighbors. Yes, and Black Cristians are supposed to love country and love all the White folks around them. No hate please. Are we all perfect? Are you kidding me? There are all kinds in our midst, but our sincere goal is to mold this imperfect mind and body to the perfection in love and kindness of our Lord. He is our pattern, not another imperfect human like Karl Marx, Mao, or even the Pope. I wish all people would follow our Lord Jesus with sincerety and our world would be so much better. No thieves, drugs, murder, lies, children out of wedlock, etc. You see my point. You can try it, but without Christ is imposible, for holiness is not in the mind of man. It is only contained in the Spirit of Christ.
So, you can criticise all Christians, all along ignoring those who are willfully practicing mischief.
Are we hipocrits? No, we try and fall short. That is the reason why we need prayer breakfast, Bible studies, Bible teaching Churches (no hate preaching agains whites please), help the poor, etc.
The great majority of non-believers don't even try, and seem to resent those who try.
Wisen up NBC. The rest of you, chill.

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david israel watertown Mass — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:12:46 GMT

National prayer breakfast-is for prayer, interesting that some comments here saying ban prayer because it states that there is a God to pray to. the key in this is as they teach= prayer=
"Jesus help me, I am sorry for my sins, even one lie, come into my heart and be my friend, amen."
taken from Revelation 3 verses 19&20 where Jesus says he loves each of us, and asks us to quickly repent from our sin and ask him into our heart to be our friend."'

pray on for America, with peace in a new life filled with hope, peace and joy...for me and you and America too

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Bill, Virginia — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:17:21 GMT

I agree with the previous comment 'that the article was long on insinuation and short on facts.' I would rather see facts about the positive and negatives of each candidate, such as the impact of Bill's actions granting Presidential Pardons in New York at the time Hillary was running for Senate. Or how many years each of the candidates have actually spent in elected office, gaining experience and qualifications to sit in the White House. Frankly, both (the Liberal and Conservative) parties have me a bit scared with their front runners. They are so focused on the 'evils of the opposition' that they are incapable of really doing this nation any true service. It is time for a term limit in Congress and for a third party to enter the arena...

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Dan Selah, Wash — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:28:36 GMT

I think the article just tries to scapegoat Christians. I am glad there is a group that influences our politicians. I am glad that they are non-political and don't show off.

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Agnostic voting Republican — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:37:15 GMT

Oh, puhlease. What total hogwash, misleading title, no substance.

My conclusion: Today, bias against women is a lot stronger / more acceptable, at least within the media, than racial prejudice.

No this does not equate with Rev Wright. Besides, it doesn't help Obama at all; he attended these meetings too. It just makes Obama's judgement re his source of moral guidance more suspect.

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RC, L.A., CA — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:27:50 GMT

Clearly, this has been dredged up and manipulated as a response to the criticism Obama has received for his pastor's past remarks.

So transparent...

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monamayberry@yahoo.com — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:46:43 GMT

As we look at separating church, state and christianity, (which incidently is a lifestyle), from every day life, I urge you to read Exodus 20:13-17 and Deuteronomy 5:17-21 and ask yourself if these are not the law of the land and our duty to our fellow citizens. If we continue to become a moral less and law abiding country, what does that make us? Mona Mayberry, Richmond, IN.

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Brenda L. Thomas, Aberdeen, NC — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:50:25 GMT

I agree with Arch Nemesis from Memphis, Tn.....there should be absolutely NO religious activitities ir services in the Capitol Building or the White House. The world would better off if there were no orginized religions.....just spirituality....more wars have been fought and more humans killed in the name of religion than any other cause....Morality has nothing whatsoever to do with Religion.

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Ken Alling, Spokane, WA — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:15:25 GMT

I believe in the bill of rights, and the constitution of the United States of America. They allow us many freedoms one is to worship as we see fit. Our nation was formed with Christian Ideals with a sprinkling of other faiths. I do not care for secressy nor do I agree with someone who will not speak up in support of their covictions. "In God We Trust" That is a big statement and it does not make referance to any particular religious belief. No one has an air tight claim on God. Politics is the quintessential art of BSing, ladder climbing, and never answer a question directly. We have a thing of free choice, and some choose this or that, while others choose in only one way. Is it wrong? I don't know, nor do I care; unless it endangers our life and country....

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Ray Penko, Mountain View, Ca — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:56:11 GMT

So now what was the point of your piece, except to attack Senator Clinton and put her in the spotlight when,in fact, all 3 Senators running for the White House at the moment have attended Coe's prayer sessions? Are you suggesting giving equal time to Senator Clinton's attending Coe's groups means you are giving equal time to Clinton and Obama's religious activities? Give me a break. There is a world of difference between the church Hillary Clinton attends and the former Pastor of Barack Obama.

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Nic, NC — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:47:17 GMT

I find it both suprising and refreshing that msn would post this article. I wonder if Hillary Clinton will "renounce and reject" Coe? I am glad that we are finally getting a glimpse of the "powers that be" in this country. I believe that Coe's teachings are accurate metaphors for the way this country is operating. Most Americans feel that it's their "GOD GIVEN" right to rule the whole world (just like Hilter, Lenin, and the likes). If these are the kind of organizazational ties Clinton (or anyone ele leading this country) has, then we all need to pray. And hopefully not to the same metaphorical Jesus as the "Christian Mafia".

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Philip Matthews, Los Angeles, CA — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:53:30 GMT

Three comments: (1) One of the things it seems that we all tend to miss is this: It is impossible to have a religion-free society. ALL societies are based on some religion; they simply differ on which religion they are based. A society either believes in a god of some sort, or believes in NO god of any sort. The fact remains that either way, it is a BELIEF, and since it involves the concept of a god, it is a RELIGIOUS belief, and therefore a RELIGION. Atheism, theism, & all the other "isms" are ALL religions. (2) Also, b/c ALL morality is inherently & inseparably religious (ie., judgments involving right & wrong are determined by one's beliefs=religion), the prevailing religion of a society permeates & determines almost everything else in that society--its social values, its laws, its public policies, its politics, its respect (or lack of it) for human rights/life, its prosperity or lack of it, etc. This is easily confirmed by the world's current societies. (3) Therefore, it is senseless to talk about "getting religion out of politics." Religion DETERMINES politics. ALL political differences are actually differences in VALUES & in how those values will be applied. There are no moral-free zones, & there can be no religion-free politics.

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Wise Than.. Lake Elsinore, California — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:08:30 GMT

I do not see the point of your article.

These secret societies have always existed!

Look at the "Skull and Bones" society George Bush and most high level politician belongs to including John Kerry.

These societies do not ever criticize America or ask that God damn America!

I do do not see the point of your article. I believe you have wasted your and my time.

I agree with KKB Somewhere, NC, you have much better stories to write.

What in the world has happened to the Media these days?!

Let it be known henceforth and forever that, number one, I am voting for Senator Clinton; and, number two, I am voting for Senator McCain if Senator Clinton is not the democratic nominee on top.

You wasted your time on that story, Andrea Mitchell and Jim Popkin, NBC News!

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John Doe, Seattle, Wash — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:16:11 GMT

Marx was right – religion is truly “the opium of the masses.” Overly enthusiastic religious zealots, of all stripes, have created more problems for this world than they have solved. Sad that our leaders are so easily swayed by manipulative snake oil salesman who seem only interested in getting themselves into their version of "heaven.” It is pretty simple to me - treat others like you would like to be treated. Anything else is just selfishness.

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Another John Doe- Ft Laud FL — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:22:13 GMT

All American Mom-
Since when did evolution become truth- you can come from a monkey if you want... but that's not my origin. There is no truth to it, theory is all it has become, and all it will become, 50 years or so and theres no proof. Only peoples best guesses.... In any case, to all those who had problems with a groupd of Political leaders who happen to be Christian having a meeting, who cares where the meet. Why are you so disturbed that some of the elceted officials of this country might like to pray to God for peace, guidance, or whatever, thats there right under the first ammendment. OR are YOU to Biggotted and offended by someone elses beliefs...?

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Karen Smith, Lucasville, OH — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:01:25 GMT

Another attack on Hillary because it is the popular and successful thing to do...by men. When are women going to stand up for fair treatment in this race? When are women going to insist Hillary be given the loving and glorified coverage Obama gets? By the way I am not a Dem, just a Rep disgusted by the ridiculously biased-against- Hillary media coverage everywhere except Fox. Shape up, I am sick of it.

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John, Topeka, KS — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:35:03 GMT

Can you all not see that this is just an illusion? Yes, the Christians on here are in an uproar that the "liberal" media is attacking religion, but the thing is, this is not really religion at work - it is playing on your/our religious values. For the people that say this is an attack on Hillary Clinton, I don't believe it's that, either, the real fact is that basically all of our elected officials on the national scene have attended the sermons of this guy THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT and who conceals the visibility of his organization... and he is also the facilitator of business figures meeting each other. This has gone on forever, but I think it is highly inappropriate for people involved in the church to be conducting politics and big business and then also being the figure that brings about moralizing for BOTH political parties.

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Disgusted, Rochester NY — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:58:00 GMT

This article exemplifies why we should not have a presidential campaign season that spans 2 full years; after the mainstream media have goaded the candidates into a free-for-all mud fight and forced just about everyone out of the race, there is now nothing left to say. If Ms. Mitchell & co. want to do a report on this organization then fine; go ahead and INVESTIGATE then report on The Fellowship Foundation. The "items" reported in this piece have absolutely nothing to do with Senator Clinton nor any of the other Beltway notables mentioned briefly (fascinating that Clinton is the only person being questioned here)! Yes, the presidential process is important and everyone should be involved and informed, but the real information on these candidates dried up months ago. Everyone I know is sick to death of everything being about this election and the rest of the nation and world being ignored or given a 15 second mention in passing so we can get back to supporting the candidate each network is shamelessly shoving down our throats (yes, the American public does have the brains to see past your thinly veiled campaign ads disguised as news stories).

Enough is enough! With all the news outlets available in today's world (24 hour TV news networks, an endless sea of talk radio, the internet, newspapers, news magazines) why is it I can't find a story on ANYTHING that is more than a cursory glance at best??? You have the time, you have the wherewithal, and you have the media - why not give Americans some real news? Some real investigation? Some real answers? Today's media thinks a story that lets an interviewee speak for a full 45 uninterrupted seconds is "in-depth" reporting! Give us a break - your real agenda here is the same as any other Washington hack; power. Except the media is not elected and cannot be thrown out of office.

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Vet 24, Omaha, NE — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:02:00 GMT

Interesting report but what about another religious figure who is even more entrenched and dangerous to our Republic? Rev. Sun Yung Moon. Owns a major paper and other media outlets and has conducted numerous meeting and even a coronation of himself with U.S. Senators.

NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group

Amanda, Chicago IL — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:30:09 GMT

This article is not unbiased news, it's opinion. I'm sad to see MSNBC playing part in smear campaigns. Either this guy is crazy, or those quotes are out of context. Either way this article suggests we all make a huge assumption and believe that some random guy the Clintons had breakfast with in a social situation is a religous zealot trying to control the government by brainwashing his fellow diners. Please. We're not idiots.

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Bryant,Lancaster,VA. — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:39:04 GMT

This report about Hillary should not come as no suprise. Senator Clinton has shown that she is well connected, playing both sides of the aisle, doing whatever it takes to win. The sad part about her whole campaign is that they had to stoop to negative campaining to have a chance to win. Personnal attacks on a person have a bad habit of coming back to you. Hillary just needs to stick to the issues. We have already had eight years of lies and deceit. I'm not looking for a perfect candiate or a perfect human being because they don't exist but If your living in a glass house, you should be throwing stones.

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JT Martin, Washington, DC — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:20:45 GMT

At the heart of Sharlet's and many of the reader's comments here and perhaps even Coe's understanding of the message of leadership Jesus was trying to teach is... misinterpretation. Yet, this is the most powerful method of teaching brought upon by the device of metaphor that can be used for the developing human brain-mind connection. We are still in early stages of this learning and that is what Jesus knows well. It helps to understand an opposite point of view clearly before you can grasp the truth. When you begin to understand that his references to himself has nothing to do with the physical (the man who lived 2,000 years ago) you gain a step in the right direction. Otherwise, you wallow in the ego-material level of partisanship, fear mongering, and comparisons to “blind leadership” to other men such as Hitler that don’t make any sense.

NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group

Ray Butts, BRanson, MO — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:32:00 GMT

MSNBC has and is basised toward Obama and although this is an intereresting article I think the American people can read their own minds and hearts in the ballot box. I think the media shoud STAY OUT of the business of persuasion! Gee, Andrea you and Chris and Keith shoulf just stick to just reporting the news. That is why I switched to FOX.

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Pointless discussion. — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:09:13 GMT

Hey, they did run about one minute and 30 seconds of reverend wrights sermons over the course of a 20 some odd year career. This story has been running for about a month now and it is still being talked about. And that is fair game? NBC and MSNBC did that as well. Why is that story fair and this one is not? Here is my take on Wright.

I do not believe that Aids was created by the government.

Yes, we sponsored terorist groups. We trained and supported Osama and the Taliban during the ocupation of Afghanistan by the Russians. Im sure the russians probably considered them terrorist. We supported Iraq and Saddam during the 80's and sold him the Chemical weapons we were so outraged that he actually used on the Kurds and against Iran. What about the Contras, Regan and North?

Yes he was wrong for calling Italians "Garlic Noses".

He was right that Blacks have been butchered, enslaved and dehumanized in the USA.

And Obama was right to say that his problem is that his problem is that he does not see the change that has taken place in this country in the last 30 years for African Americans.

Does anyone disagree?

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Adam Bernstein, Los Gatos, CA — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:45:30 GMT

I guess the subtext of this story is that you can do a "Reverend Wright" job on just about anyone.

This is not so much an attack on the Clintons' association with Doug Coe, but it does go to show how easy it is to make religious leaders seem sinister by focusing in on a few things they have said without providing context and without being charitable enought to give them the benefit of the doubt.

If we can assasinate the character of politicians by pointing to foolish things their spiritual leaders have sometimes said, politicians will be forced to avoid all but the blandest of spiritual leaders.

To me, Coe seems at least as sinister as Wright, although I know next to nothing about either of them. Coe seems to pride himself on being close with the wealthy and powerful and operating secretively behind the scenes, whereas Wright had an open, public ministry that catered to people from all walks of life and championed the causes of the poor and disenfranchised.

Viewed in context, Wright was not "hating" the U.S., but was criticising its flaws to challenge us to live up to its ideals. Similarly, Rev. MLK, Jr. said things like this country was "founded on genocide" and that the U.S. government was the world's largest purveyor of violence. These are challenging ideas we should confront if we truly love our country and strive always to govern it well and make it better.

The tenor of our national politics is such that candidates have to be very careful about what they say. They have to "stay on script," and one slip of the tongue can be seized upon by enemies to ruin a career.

I suppose this is inevitable, as we do not want political leaders who say careless or incendiary things. It becomes a little ugly, though, when negative campaigning takes innocent remarks out of context, without regard for the speaker's true intentions.

And we also look for "genuineness". We like to see some folksy charm and "straight talk". So there is a kind of balancing act we require of our successful candidates. They should not be bloodless robots whose every word is dictated by polling data, but they should not be afflicted with "foot in mouth" disease, either.

The problem, it seems to me, comes when we start attacking politicians for verbal slips made, not by the candidates themselves, but by their spiritual leaders or other associates, who are not running for office and cannot be expected to stay "on script".

Preachers, professors, civil rights leaders, journalists and bloggers are likely to say things that would not play well in a political campaign, but we need that kind of discourse as well, and we should not require our politicians to steer clear of such people.

If we want to use "guilt by association" against our politicians, the associate should really be guilty of something more than saying some things inartfully which, taken out of context, can make them look sinister or unpatriotic. Really, it is the candidate we are voting for, and not his or her pastor, teacher or friend.

NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group

Femi G. Ibitayo, Longview, TX — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:45:41 GMT

In a nation that bemoans the ills of partisan politics, the American liberal press again shows itself out of tune with the desire of the people. What is wrong with republicans and democrats having a common meeting point? Would the press condemn any politically bipartisan professional person or organization? The press often presents itself as a prosecutor of those who anchor or seek to anchor their life in God or a “conservative” religious belief system. When did it become un-American to seek and use spiritual counsel or associate with people of a like mind? Have you abrogated the freedom of association?

In their effort to vilify the “conservative” religious, isn’t the liberal press promoting their own godless world view and agenda? Everyman (even the atheist) has a religion and as such you cannot divorce politics from religion. We affirm the separation of church and state but separation of people (even politicians) from the practice of their faith.

NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group

JRW, Sequim, WA — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:58:02 GMT

The republicrats have 3 candidates for the presidency-I have 0! When you have to raise $20-50 million/month to run a campaign you will not represent the masses but the corporate elite. Do you think they do not expect a return on their investment?

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Mala, Las Vegas, NV — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:01:52 GMT

Thank you Mary of Detroit. I was an ardent follower of Chris Matthews and to some extent Keith Olberman. I now switch to another channel when they are on TV.
They are so blatant in their bias towards Barack Obama.
Please people use your intelligence and see what they are doing!!!!!!

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d macklin, sacramento californai — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:16:55 GMT

In all fairness, Ms. Clinton, like any other American is entitled to seek her spiritual sustenance where she pleases. On the other hand, it strikes me as blatantly hypocritical that her spiritual advisor is described as secretive when Mr. Obama's long-time pastor, an extremely public persona in the Chicago area, has been denounced as an extremist.

Does race have anything to do with this? One has to wonder. But consider the energy that will be expended when the next presidential candidate acknowledges seeking spiritual advice from, horror of horrors, a female spiritual leader.

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Kyle Hussein McCallister — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:22:14 GMT

Barbara Ehrenreich reported on The Family last month, based on a book that will be coming out in May. This is not partisan, it's about revealing facts. And it's high time that the religious backgrounds of Clinton and McCain get equal scrutiny after FOX's crusade to paint Rev. Wright as anti-American, when it's celar to anyone listening to his entire sermons that he is raging against the government injustices that continue to this day despite our progress in the civil rights arena.

As far as Christianity goes, there are as many ways to believe and practice as there are Christians. But there is a major difference between the Christian Right and the Christian Left. Liberal Christianity is inherently based inrecognizing our commonality in Christ, of loving our neighbor as ourselves, and from that stems the call to social justice in global terms. The Christian Right is inherently a system of social governance based on the obsolete law of ancient Israel, hence the emphasis on patriarchy and intolerance for modern morals and new knowledge.

Essentially, there is no authentic socially conservative Christianity. It is strictly culturally authoritarian, corrupting the spiritual. No one can know Jesus and yet condemn homosexuals, women who have abortions, birth control, racial minorities, unmarried sexually active couples, etc. The fallacy of the compassionate conservative is clear.

Fiscally responsible conservatives can of course be good Christians, so long as they do not act to deny reasonable aid to the poor and the environment. But it is a fine line to walk, and for economic freedom conservatives, there is ultimately the warning of Jesus: it is easier for a camel to pass through a needle's eye than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. This is the exact opposite of the message preached by The Family, and this must be known. These "leaders" are the Pharisees of our time.

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Bill Hopkins, Swanton, Ohio — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:20:36 GMT

I am having difficulty reconciling a need to be "secretive" about anyone's religion in a country that prides itself in promoting its religious freedom. Why would there be any need to hide anything? Unless, of course, one holds a tenet that impacts others in a negative manner if it is made manifest. Conservatives do like to play their cards close. It is less embarassing when those pesky little hypocitical ideals are kept under wraps.

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Joseph Rizzutto, Gillsburg, MS — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:28:54 GMT

What's the whoopdala about God and this great Nation. This nation was founded on the belief in God and if you research history, the nations captial buildings you can see it every where. Nothing in the constitution says church and state must be separate.

It is without the 85 percent of the God fearing Americans not standing up to the 15% non-believers is why we are not to pray in school and else where in public. This is why our Great Nation Is Going to Pot.

There is no such thing as evil. Evil is the absence of God, just as the is no such thing as darkness, it's simply the absence of light.

Just remember the next time this ole world pushes you down to your knees, You are in a perfect position to Pray.

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thommas Moore, Lake St. Louis Mo. — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:37:44 GMT

"They shall know we are Christians by our LOVE!"

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Anne, mid-west — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:31:42 GMT

Unbalanced - no substance - the headline is on a level with "There's a BOOGEY-MAN in your closet!!!!!" NBC, Please, bring us REAL info on the candidates'lifetime: -accomplishments -efforts -struggles, so we can form a sense of their character, guts, skills,& intellect.

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Ann, Trenton NJ — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:30:58 GMT

NBC is what happened when the Federal Communications Commission deemed that the airwaves are no longer "public". They're replacing God with an Airwave Czar.

NBC News Exclusive: Political ties to a secretive religious group

cmore, okc,oklahoma — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:09:48 GMT

My main concern with this article is this: 1)There weren't enough facts to support the weak suppositions. 2)It was a frontal attack on the religious liberties of our politicians (who desperately need help). 3)It cast aspersions on a man's integrity and his family, that I am sure none of these stringers know personally. 4) And, the article insinuated that somehow, someone is being forced to give money, or to attend these prayer breakfasts. Don't forget people. Our politicians do not punch time clocks. They can take a long lunch or an early dinner or a working breakfast, just like any other salaried employee.

In addition, believing in Jesus isn't difficult since historical evidence proves Jesus the man really did exist. Believing that He is the son of God and is one with God, is a little more difficult for we humans. That is where faith comes in. Faith--believing in that which we cannot see. That's why it's called faith. You exercise your faith each time you get in an airplane or send your child out to school.It all takes faith. The evidence of God is not in that we are supposed to see Him, the evidence comes in the things we see as a result of believing in Him.

As for the person who said that Christians burn people. I dare you to name one person that you know personally, that has ever burned anyone in the name of Christ.

For those of you who say these politicians shouldn't be allowed to attend these meetings. You just don't understand the constitution.

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KJ, Washington, DC — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:12:05 GMT

If these old talks NBC claims to have of Coe really say what NBC claims, then why is it that we are only given a 10 second soundbite and not allowed to see the whole thing ourselves to decide for ourselves? Instead, NBC chooses to decide for us. Now who is conspiring?

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LeeAnna, Cleveland OH — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:41:07 GMT

Hmm, I'm just wondering about all of the would be presidential candidates that couldn't quite get the nomination. Are they members, too? Or did they fail to make the grade for not being members? There's a whold secret society thing going on here that everyone wants to imply, but no one really wants to tackle. It seems to go much deeper that seperation of politics and religion. The whole lot is shady.

It's a sad day in journalism when we have to focus so much on the religious beliefs of the individuals running for office this year. By doing so, we have completely diminished the underlying factor in this report. That is to say that there is something much bigger going on here. I weap for the future of this country.

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Luis, Jacksonville, Florida — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:34:12 GMT

This is not reporting, but a discriminated and premeditated compliation of out of context analysis to use a mass medium to publish personal agendas. Where is the "impartial" filtering element for responsible and accurate reporting? Obviously not a requirement for your "news" organization. Relegate it to the gossip section, we'll get a better perspective.

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ANDERSON VALRICO FLORIDA — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:53:12 GMT

NBC NEWS is obviously limited in time to present, but the commenters have time to research,go to Huffington Post, Mother Jones, or just Google Hillary Clinton David Coe and expand your knowkedge of the candidate you might vote into office. I have, now I have a lot of thinking to do.

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Denise, Bettendorf, IA — Sat, 03 May 2008 13:46:00 GMT

Praise God that at least some in the government still pray and believe in God! It is their right and all of our right to do so. I think Hitler is a very good metaphor of what one charismatic leader can do to change the world. Hitler unfortunately didn't change it for the better, but imagine a truly Christian leader making such worldwide impact. The world might just become a better place! I don't see how any harm can come from a group of people praying to God! Maybe it might just do some good for a change!

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Jack Doe, Wichita ,Ks. — Sun, 11 May 2008 12:46:42 GMT

I think many respondents are missing the boat here. This is not about picking on Christians. it is about those who use Christs message as a front for business and power. The Family was founded by those who decided that the poor were too insignifigant to be bothered with. That a church should target the wealthy and powerful to really change the world. Conveniently, doing so has led to wealth and power for those with that idea. In that context invoking Christ's name with Hitlers is scary. And oh yes, for those who care -Blasphemy. The KKK claims to be a Christian organization too. This Christian believes Christ would react as he did to the moneychangers. Ditto tele-evangelists and any who use his name to make money and buy power.

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Pastor Jillian — Tue, 20 May 2008 18:23:05 GMT

This country was founded upon religious believes from the Freedom of Religion clause to the anti adultery laws that almost all states had at one time.

BTW separation of church and state does not mean the government cannot use religius symbols it means that they will not mandate what religion is followed. Notwithstanding what the godless commies believe.

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turkey — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 06:52:51 GMT

Thanx You.. Perfect Docs