Military wants answers on Afghan attack

Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:16 PM ET
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By Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News Chief Pentagon Correspondent

U.S. military commanders in Afghanistan have now ordered a formal investigation into last weekend's attack on a remote combat outpost that killed nine American soldiers and wounded 15 more. The commanders not only want to determine how scores of heavily-armed insurgents took the Americans by complete surprise, but exactly who were those enemy forces and how were they able to pull off such a well-coordinated and complex attack.

The outpost in Kunar province had been established only a couple of days before when some 200 insurgents staged the pre-dawn attack with machine-guns, rocket propelled grenades and mortars. Eight of the nine dead were killed in a surveillance tower. A handful of the enemy fighters actually breached the wall to the small compound but were quickly driven back or killed. But two days after the assault, U.S. commanders determined the outpost could not be adequately defended and withdrew all American forces. Reports claim that within hours the post was overrun by Taliban fighters.

Defense officials say commanders called for the formal investigation known in the military as a "fifteen-six" (15-6), to get answers to a series of critical questions: Just how did so many insurgent get so close to the outpost without being detected? Was security and surveillance surrounding the outpost inadequate or did those involved in security fall down on the job?
The insurgents launched the attack from homes, shops and a mosque in the nearby village of Wanat. The villagers themselves had fled the area before the attack. Were they fearful for their lives or did they willingly provide cover for the attackers?

But what troubles U.S. commanders is that this was one of the most sophisticated, well-planned, coordinated and executed attack against American forces in Afghanistan since the start of the war nearly seven years ago. Military officials have described the tactics and manuevers as "first-rate" and suggest that it may not be the last.

U.S. military and intelligence officials say there is increasing evidence that the Taliban, al-Qaida, and a variety of loosely-aligned insurgent groups appear better-trained and better-coordinated in their military operations than ever.

U.S. frustrations mount
Intelligence indicates most are currently being trained in camps across the border in the remote tribal regions of Pakistan. The growing frustration at the Pakistan government's refusal to crackdown on the Taliban and al-Qaida safe havens broke out at the Pentagon this week when Defense Secretary Robert Gates declared, "There is no question that the absence of pressure on the Pakistani side of the border is creating an opportunity for more people to cross the border and to launch attacks." When asked if the U.S. military would launch unilateral strikes against the insurgent camps inside Pakistan, Gates would not rule it out.
Meanwhile, defense officials say Pentagon efforts to send more American troops and equipment to Afghanistan to counter the growing enemy threat there have kicked into "high gear."
The 15-6 investigation underway into the attack should hold those in the U.S. military accountable in the event there was any negligence. But the growing capability and sophistication of the enemy in Afghanistan will be a much harder fix.

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Since Musharref has handed over the keys to the tribal regions in Pakistan. We can no longer afford to respect the Soveriegnty of this area of Pakistan. I believe that if the Taliban knew that we would chase them back across the Pakistani border and that a line on a map no longer served as protection, Afghanistan would simply be defending itself. I do not support an incursion or occupation of the tribal areas of Pakistan, rather I support the ability to persue the attacker.
something must be done about Pakistan's lawless area
to solve the problem in Afghanistan. Maybe nuking
Wazirstan and Queta is a good idea, You will see no
more Taliban or Al-Qaida.
The war in Afghanistan is a really good idea...if you want to spend your country into bankruptcy, i.e. USSR vs. Afghanistan circa 1980's.  I am sure some well-intentioned, semi-well-informed people think it is the "right war" but the information in the article confirms that after seven years of war we are not better off now, strategically or tactically, than when we began this ill-conceived campaign.
Let's see if the peace-loving, negotiating Obama wants to talk with Al Qaida or the Taliban.   It will just be a matter of time before our boy-wonder calls for a pull-pit of Afganhistan.  This youngster is gutless, but would have dogded the draft when we had it.
I say lets keep spending Billions of Dollars to Pakistan so that Pakistan's Intelligence Service can keep funding these guy's and training them to cross the Afghan border to bring havoc on our forces. Sounds like they (ISI) may have help coordinate this particular even. My son serves the 2nd-503rd and is looking for some payback.  
This is Vietnam all over again and will have the same tragic ending.
We can bomb across the border or now or wait and bomb across the border later.  it's going to happen.  It's only a matter of time.
Was there ever a point in the last several years when we had reason to believe that Pakistan  controlled its border regions or its Pashtun Taliban allies? (rhetorical:  I think not.)
How can we continue to be surprised by the tactics of these terrorists after what they did on our home soil on 9/11? Can they really be that far ahead of our best military efforts or are we just not trying hard enough? John McCain, if you are serious about winning these wars you would be demanding that we reinstitute the draft!!!
why does that base even still exist?  why has it not been bombed back in to the stone age?  who left it there for the foe to use?
When is this administration going to realize that Pakistan is not our ally?
I hope our guys booby traped the place before they left, and we should have had a couple Predators aloft nearby to hit them as they recovered their dead. Then, one day next week, we send four B-52's over and flatten the village from high altitude, so nobody hears us coming.
We need to become their worst nightmare.
Gary Thaxton, Statesville NC




Gary Thaxton, Statesville NC
Why aren't we gassing these people? What are we waiting for, another 9-11? Are we a super power or a paper tiger? How many more of our young men and women have to come home in body bags or maimed for life because we don't use our arsenal on these Muslin scum.
Al-Qaida has bases in Pakistan and probably Iranian trainers, who were trained by the Russians, running them. That's as plausible a scenerio as any! Ladies and Gentlemen we are on the brink of W.W.III now with the Israelis ready to blast Iran. Israel's recent Hamas humiliation will make War an easier sell to the inhabitants of that Country. The U.S. is ready to roll too! When the "Light Show" starts - LOOK OUT!!!  
This is starting to look like what happened to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Perhaps reviewing their approach and modifying ours so as not to fall into the same trap might be useful.
start dropping GBU-43BS (m o a b ) 18000lb mountain busters - random 24 7 along the pakistan border - up to 1oo meters from the border drop at night on al  commanding mountain and hill tops -- put a dozen within 5 miles of the paki border -target all pakistan intellegence hqs  -cut out the bs with our ''allies;'' 19 mother and fathers are grievingtheir sons who were totally unprotected last week  no more
Pakistan has, except for Musharaf himself (and he is now irrelevant), always sympathized with the Taliban, which is really of Pakistani creation from the outset. They have provided safe haven for Al Q'aeda for far too long already. Either Bush meant what he said on Sept 12 when he said "...Those who harbor them will share their fate.", or he just another low-down lying weasel. To hell with Pakistan and their sovereignty; we should attack, we should kill, pillage, and burn, until the few live subhuman third-world derelicts left standing surrender to us on their knees, the terms of which need to include burning down every mosque in their country and wiping pig feces on pictures of Mohammed until they learn to like it (or die). For it is not enough to simply kill this enemy, they must be humiliated until they proclaim us their true masters and bow down before us, shielding their faces as we pass by. And we shuold not lose ONE SINGLE AMERICAN GI doing this, we should doo it all from 30,00 feet up.

Remember...WE WERE ATTACKED! WAKE UP, PEOPLE!
Nuke Northern Pakistan and end this BS./ Why risk any more American or NATO troops lives.
So why are we still in Afghanistan? Looking for Bin Ladin? So what happens if we find him, will everything cease at that time? Not.
Why are we still in Iraq? Why were we there in the first place. I think about these things when I pay my taxes. We all should.
It's a shame the McCain, Bush and the Republican party has been so incompetent as to let Afghanistan become a forgotten war, and thus allowed Al Qaida to re-group while they waste manpower, money, and resources in Iraq. Meanwhile our soldiers suffer the consequences, but as far as the GOP in concerned..."Who Cares", it's not like any of them are serving, fighting, or dying.
If Pakistan is avoiding the situation at the border, then they are indirectly aiding the terrorists, i.e. giving them safe haven.  Therefore we must do what needs to be done, so-called friend or not.   It's time to do it before we get hit again.
"first-rate" manuevers by the enemy means they're learning our tactics. We have'nt put enough resources into Afghanistan and now we're paying the price.
Elephant in the room. The ISI wing in NWFP is fully active and independant once again now that 'civilian govt' is in Place.

This level or coordination, intelligence and the like isn't happening by chance. They took out Indian Defence Attache and RAW Station Chief and that was also a planned OP.

I believe we underestimated the enemies of this war. Also, we must look at the leadership of that unit. To end the deployment with 9 KIAs is due to the cockiness of the leadership. Those leadership should be fired to include the top three of that unit.
Back at the beginning stages of the U.S. response to the 9/11 attack, Bush & Co. made it clear on more than one occasion that no distinction would be made between any nation or entity offering safe harbor to the perpetrators of the attack and the perpetrators themselves. How this warning ended up with the U.S. giving Musharraf and his military billions of dollars to hunt down bin Laden remains unexplored. Not that Musharraf was going to be silly enough to work himself out of a job by actually finding bin Laden.
Wouldn't the U.S. defend itself if they were slowly and increasingly being occupied by an external armed force?
Why are people so naive as to think the U.S. can wage war where ever they want to and should not, will not suffer casualties? Everyone knows the expression, "If you play with fire, you will get burned." If the U.S. was not there, then they would not be losing these people, would they?
Why no investigation into the well-coordinated attack on the Afghan prison that freed all those enemy combatants?  U.S. forces were there, but stood back and did nothing.
Taliban is a creation of pakistan army and ISI. Why wouldn't they be able to carry out complex coordinated attack? Especially when the NATO troops are fighting with their hands tied behind their back. Let the NATO carry out hot pursuit and spec ops in FATA and see how the taliban crumble.
I agree. The enemies of America are growing in numbers, technological sophistication and strategic prowess. The techniques and tactical preferences employed by the U.S. military have been a public spectacle for decades, given that the United States has held the most prominenet, well known and heavily scrutinized military presence in the world since WWII. The U.S. was a 'sleeping giant' when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, awoken to demonstrate the awesome power of a nation united, but the America of today is a divided nation, and with the mounting contempt and envy of some foreign states that would stop at nothing and relish in the opportunity to cause great detriment to the citizens of this country, America must stand together with vigilance and resolve. We must not stand idly by while the foundation of the United States of America crumbles beneath our feet and the oblivion of the average American citizen to global threats Uconsumes us completely. To those who think America can never be defeated, keep in mind that Rome was once the greatest empire on Earth- the more complex the machine, the greater care required to maintain it. We, as a nation, are not perfect, but we stand on firm principles and an ingenious system that is worth fighting for. United we stand, and divided we will fall- stay sharp and ready.
God bless the troops and guide them home safely.

-John Smith
"Reports claim that within hours the post was overrun by Taliban fighters."
And why didn't the commanders fire one well aimed missile at the overrun Post?
Something went terribly wrong in the tower.  If there were 8 soldiers in the tower, and the threat level high, somebody was asleep at the wheel.  We need to find out what went wrong so we can prevent an attack like this in the future.  I wonder if we are being lulled into situations like the Beirut bombing which killed so many Marines.  Let's hope the 15-6 investigation doesn't sweep the tru facts under the rug.

Tim Hutchison Indianapolis, IN
9 more coffins for bush he must sleep well, what a waste of life for oil.
Well, let's see, if the U.S. govt would stop tip-toeing around every conflict and give the troops what they need to accomplish their missions there would be better morale as well as better performance.  They would feel safer knowing they had enough firepower to get the job done.  Start listening to the troops on the ground and stop letting high-ranking pencil pushers call all the shots.  REMEMBER THIS:  "things are never as easy as they appear to be in combat and, when you think you have it figured out...you'd better think some more!!!"
Thanks to the blunder of the Iraq invasion the US will never gain a foothold in Afghanistan and will face the same fate every other imperial power has faced there throughout history. Defeat
Blame Pakistan for our intelligence failure and for their failure to controll their border. Here we are a super rich nation that cannot control our own border with Mexico but we demand a third worl country with scarce resource to have total control of their porous boarder. Will someone please accept responsibility for our failures other than to shift blame to foreign nations.
Blame Pakistan for our intelligence failure and for their failure to controll their border. Here we are a super rich nation that cannot control our own border with Mexico but we demand a third worl country with scarce resource to have total control of their porous boarder. Will someone please accept responsibility for our failures other than to shift blame to foreign nations.
We have got to stop underestimating the enemy and do things heavily handed. Like when a team of soldiers was in Iraq....We did not have the backup forces in place to get there and kick but. EVERY TEAM < EVERY GROUP and so forth has to have a response force and an auxiliary backup force to multiply forces at hand to quell attacks like these. Air support as well as ground support should only be minutes from being backed up. Someone is slacking on backing up our troops on t he ground.
it should not suprize you to read this ,polititions run the war not the soilders on the ground libs, dems, repubs, are in the same boat we pull out completely or do what the infantry was made to do ,move destroy the enemy ,i have a infantry blue cord .
It is "noon time" for Intelligence to map & spot the training centers in W. Pakistan. A missile operation, no troops, with precision to destroy any activity must be the objective.
Political static from the Pakistan Government should be ignored.
It's obvious that Pakistan has become the enemy.
i feel so sorry for those guys putting there life in the hands of goverments, when not enough is being done by all sides to do there best in the saftey of these men ,a young mans life seems so cheap ,how do these men and woman do it with the fear every day it could be there last ,when they hear and see so many of there friends dying around them , they deserve the highest honour and respect , and i feel most the families ,so sad .
Ask Allah.
Now you know why the Russians left 30 years ago.It was called their "Vietnam".You cannot win in that terrain just as we couldnt in the jungle.You stay forever or forget it.
If our military know/knew that this outpost was taken over by the the enemy as soon as we left why didn't they counter attack and catch them unaware? This all could have been done with remote air-to-ground missiles and robot unmanned planes. Then have our gunships pulverize the place to dust, and leave the enemy nothing!
What good is it to have an investigation before  taking aggressive counter action to even the playing field?
Dear US commanders;
You got clobbered by the core Taliban that sloppyness let escape several weeks ago.
These guys are limitless hard core black-bearded Arab fanatics that you or anyone will never defeat!  
These guys have been provided modern communication technologies and intelegence tools such as you have. so you can't see/hear them.
Remember you provided these guys against Russia, Well guess what; tit for tat...
 
If our military know/knew that this outpost was taken over by the the enemy as soon as we left why didn't they counter attack and catch them unaware? This all could have been done with remote air-to-ground missiles and robot unmanned planes. Then have our gunships pulverize the place to dust, and leave the enemy nothing!
What good is it to have an investigation before  taking aggressive counter action to even the playing field? Why look for a scapegoat to over their butts for under estimating the eneemy?
The US miliary has proved once again that despite our so called Technical" superiority, we make the error of assuming that will overcome esprit de corps and solid miliary tactics.
We lost that way in Vietnam: I am a Vietnam Vet
And many invaders: most recently Russia, were beaten that way in Afganistan.
The recent events should be no surprise as intelligence and events there over the last year have pointed to this resurgence in the strength of Al Quaida.

The Bush Regieme is made up of imcomptent and dangerously ignorant fools.
The have underestimated and misjudged in both Iraq and Afganistan.
As a result, we have been over extended in both places.
However, the early evidence in this incident shows a lack of miltary competence by the soldiers in the outpost and they are the one who have paid the price for their lack of vigilance.

I am glad to see a 15-6 being conducted.  It is important to remember that in every miitary operation there is RISK involved.  An important question to ask and answer, was everything done to minimize the RISK?  First things first.  We must honor the fallen heros who lost their lives.  Secondly, learn as much from this situation as we can so to avoid it in the future and finally, deal accordingly with anyone who failed in their duties to protect the outpost and the American Soldiers serving there.  We cannot begin the investigation assuming quilt and looking for someone to blames and punish or we will miss the important lessons to be learned and mistakes to be avoided in the future.
Somehow, we have to figure out how not to allow sanctuary to the insurgents ANYWHERE.  If that means striking across the Pakistani border, then so be it.  I and a lot of other Americans are sick and tired of politics overruling strategic decisions on the ground.  This is too reminicent of some of the things that happened in Vietnam.
That pisses me off to no end, There was no excuse to have a force that small in the middle of harms way.These stupid experiments are getting our people killed.This is really bad stuff, and no reason for it.somebody needs to get a grip.


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