White-power groups recruiting from military

Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:42 PM ET
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By Jim Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Producer

White-supremacist groups have recruited 203 people who served in the U.S. military or who claim to have U.S. military backgrounds, according to a new report by the FBI. The unclassified FBI Intelligence Assessment, issued last week and obtained by NBC News, cautions that white-power extremists are trying hard to recruit active-duty soldiers and recent veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“White supremacist extremists hope to revitalize the white supremacist movement by exploiting antigovernment sentiment among opponents of the overseas conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan,” the FBI report states. It adds, however, that the effort is not going particularly well. “Although some veterans of these conflicts have joined the extremist movement, they have not done so in numbers sufficient to stem declines among major national extremist organizations, nor has their participation resulted in a more violent extremist movement,” the FBI writes.

The report, titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11,” compiles statistics from hundreds of FBI cases from October 2001 to May 2008. It finds that U.S. military experience “is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement.” It adds: “FBI reporting indicates extremist leaders have historically favored recruiting active and former military personnel for their knowledge of firearms, explosives, and tactical skills and their access to weapons and intelligence in preparation for an anticipated war against the federal government, Jews, and people of color.”

And it’s not just veterans who are drawn to the cause. “FBI cases also document instances of active duty military personnel having volunteered their professional resources to white supremacist causes,” the report states. The FBI finds that “an estimated 19 veterans (approximately 9 percent of the 203) have verified or unverified service in the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Reaction from Watchdog Groups:
NBC News shared the bulletin, prepared by the FBI Counterterrorism Division, with Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Potok is an expert on extremist groups, and helped prepare a report called "A Few Bad Men," on how “extremists are once again worming their way into a recruit-starved military.”

“This is a genuinely important report,” Potok said. “The FBI has confirmed what the Southern Poverty Law Center disclosed in a major investigation -- that radical right-wing extremists have infiltrated the military in a bid to gain weapons and other specialized training, and that many former military members are a part of organized white supremacist groups.”

“The fact is, even if their numbers are small, violent white supremacists armed with the best military training in the world are a real presence in hate groups today. It’s important to remember that Timothy McVeigh, who murdered 168 people with a truck bomb, got his training in the military,” he added.

FBI Stats:
Skinhead groups and the extremist organizations National Alliance and the National Socialist Movement account for 72 percent of the total number of successfully recruited veterans (or men who claim to be U.S. veterans.) “According to sensitive and reliable source reporting in October 2006, the National Socialist Movement received a number of queries from active duty Army and Marine personnel stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan expressing interest in joining the organization or inquiring about chapters located near domestic US military bases,” the FBI states. “Whether as a result of group recruitment efforts or self-recruitment by active military personnel sympathetic to white supremacist extremist causes, FBI information derived from reliable, multiple sources documents white supremacist extremist activity occurring at some military bases.”

The authors also state that supremacist leaders have encouraged followers who lack histories of neo-Nazi activity to infiltrate the military as “ghost skins,” in order to recruit and receive training for the benefit of the extremist movement.

Comments

This really isn't a new phenomoma in the Miltary. As a retired Equal Opportunity Advisor in the U.S Army, we constantly provided training on these groups' tactics for adding military personnel to their rolls.  One key factor that we all must remember, is that the military is but a reflection of our over all society!  So what's walking around in the civilian sector, is doing the same in the military.   Vigilence is the key!
Oh, Noe's 203 people!  And only 19 of them are ACTUALLY verified veterans.  19!  Out of, what, 150,000 in Iraq right now, Plus another 50,000 back from Iraq, 90,000 in Afghanistan, 40,000 in Korea...  do you get the idea here?  we're talking about less than .001% and you call this news???  The world is filled with stupid people, fighting for stupid causes.  White supremacy is one of the smallest.  It probably took more federal agents to figure this out than there are white supremacists in America.
The New Black Panthers, Muslim Extremists, La Raza, open borders with no plan to stop an invasion of the southern states, murdering innocent children by fire in Waco,Tx., out of control political correctness, reverse discrimination, our industrial base shipped over seas, crooked politicians stealing us blind, and you guys are complaining about a bunch of good ole-boys playing army. When they come and pull your sons n daughters out into the sreet in the middle of the night, you might wish you had a few redneck friends to lay down on them for you.
This report does not suprise me, after all I live in the good ole USA, where hypocrits are trained everyday. We talk about the Jihad, how are these groups any different. That is the reason why our country is by far hated so much, not because we are the greatest but because we are the phoniest.
-Robert Stonerock

I can agree with your comment 100%. I grew up in a traditionally all-white region of northeast Alabama that was coincidentally location to past-KKK activity. I joined the Army a few years ago and I must admit, it was quite a culture shock for me having never been in a "mixed" crowd. By the time ITB was over, I wouldn't have cared if you were simultaneously every color of the rainbow. The fact that anyone, regardless of color, has the courage to sign that dotted line earns them more respect in a matter of moments than most people will accrue in a life-time. Besides, in the Army, we were told we're all green anyways. =)

-Sagi P

All I have to say is welcome to America where we fight racism with more racism. I personally am not a fan of the idea of "ruling" or "controlling" by fear but I'd be willing to guarantee that all of these supremasists/gangs would respond much better to fear than the Islamic-extremists do. The latter welcome death, the former would probably break down crying if you were to stick a gun in their face and demand they act like a decent human-being. On that note, I'd also be willing to guarantee that those wimpy human-rights organizations would have a field-day if someone were to take such direct action and to them I simply say that if these problematic people don't want to act like decent human-beings and honor the rights of others, they may as well be forfeiting the rights they have as American citizens.
I came to this country some 35 yrs ago. I learned to love this country and royal to her. My church teaches us that no matter what color of skin we have ,  black, yellow, brown, or green we are the children of GOD and precious in His sight. If we want our coutry in peace , we should love each other. If we are strong,and in unity, the ennemy will flee from us.
Those who say these extremist nuts pose no threat must have forgotten about Tim McVeigh.
i spent four years in the United States marine Corps, and if you ask any devil dog, they are brothers in combat. But, when not in combat or a combat situation, most people tend to click with their own race, is very clear in my experience. We had a few good ol boys that could care less for blacks or mexicans, but we had mexicans and blacks that could care less for the good ol boys as well. We can preach and try to teach everyone to get along, but there are some people that will stick to their ignorant ways. Is this story a scare tactic way of getting attention? Maybe, but it does address a real life issue. All we can hope for is that the correct authorities keep track of the situation so that we dont have another OK City incident.
Why does it have to do anything about god? why cant it just come down to skin color does not mean anything. We are all equal.

Bring religeon into this, and you sound and look just like bush. ugh.
there is a big difference between Crips/Bloods and White supremists groups. Crips/Bloods dont primarily target cultures/people other then their own. They mostly fight/steal/kill amongst themselves and other gangsters.

White supremists believe they are righteous in killing Jews and any non-white people.

I'd bet that many more innocent people have been killed by white power groups(KKK and others) than by Crips/Bloods.

It's interesting to note that almost all serial killers and a lot of school yard shooters have been white.

With the many multi-culture families in this country and around the world, I believe anyone affiliated with these type of organizations should be watched very close. Without doubt they are a threat to world peace. Another Hitler can be grown if not watched & controled.
If they are already in the military, then the government is not screening their recruits, just signing them up just like the candidates. A person being hired to drive an 18 wheeler goes through a more rigged background check then these candidates.
So we now know because of CNN reporting that a million 1,000,000 Americans are on this Terror Watch list, My question is when are we going to start classifying these group, we know which groups they are MS13, Crips, Bloods, MM , Skinhead, white supremicists, Neo- Nazi's and they get arrested for many things, and they have the tatoos, when are we going to mark these like those we do at the airports?
The military does have a policy in place for supremist affiliation.  The military person can't be an 'active' member, i.e, attend meetings, recruit others into the supremist group, attend rallies, etc.  There is also a policy regarding gang affiliation.  While there is continuous diversity training and exposure to people from all walks of life, ethnic, socio-economic, gender, education; fear, intolerance and hatred are a part of society.  The military is a mirror of society.  It is a sub-culture that teaches core values to it's members.  Hatred is not in keeping with those core values.  Those who choose to affliate with supremist groups, militas or gangs, do so in secret.  When exposed, they are punished accordingly and separated from active duty without the possibility of rejoining or going into the reserves.
The only people that the crips & bloods threaten are each other and the other idiots that belive in that way of life.
"Wow, Brendan.  You have some serious hate issues along with that 'white guilt' thing you got goin' on.  I find your comments and stated beliefs as offensive and disturbing as I do the idea that white power groups are recruiting from our military. Hate is hate, Brendan and all hate is disgusting."

Amen. What a hypocrite. He must be as "uneducated" as these so-called "white trash rednecks" (his words, not mine) to not see the overt hypocrisy in his post.

I guarantee you not all of these white extremists  are "rednecks" as you point out. So stop stereotyping.

Furthermore, why is it that the only group of people that can be denounced and made fun of is Southerners? I bet I would be censored if I made a post containing racial epithets against Jews, blacks, etc. But it's somehow okay to let slide the same type of comments about Southerners? That's BS.  
I have long thought the US missed an opportunity when they did not include "domestic terrorists" in their enforcement of the Patriot Act.  The KKK is as much a threat to national security and its members should be in Gitmo as we speak along with every other suspected terrorist.

I'm also concerned that this FBI report only focuses on the 203 being recruited from the military.  That small number, however, represents at least 2 problems: 1) it says nothing about the many other members who have not served in the military, and 2) it says nothing about the possible military training those 203 are providing to perhaps many thousands.

Most importantly, these seemingly small numbers threaten to lull us into a false sense of security.  Because the number misses the point:  It only take ONE gunman ...  

I for one am gratified that Obama took on Secret Service personnel early on in his campaign, and I trust they were CAREFULLY screened for racial bias, which has recently been exposed in the mainstream national media as a problem in the Secret Service.

Even among dutiful officers with a lesser degree of bias, such bias could compromise their judgment in a moment of crisis or high alert.  It only takes a moment's hesitation or laxness to undo years of careful training when it counts most.
Not a whole lot of attention is given to the Bloods and Crips which are violent street gangs dealt with by gang units, because the people they prey on are the blacks in their neighborhoods. The Latin gangs are a bit more far-reaching.

They are violent gangs. White supremacists are anti-government terrorist organizations, along with being violent gangs.
Just remember, it was just a small group of racists who made up the National Socialists in Germany almost 100 years ago.  The small group of hate mongers turned a whole nation of well educated citizens into a religious and racial genocidal machine.  Can't happen here?  Guess again!
To the man in Pennsylvania who wrote "hate-monger, white-trash, uneducated rednecks"----Why do people try to make us feel guilty for being white.  I bet you wouldn't write that about a black person.  And thats part of the problem....I would have to say it is the "white people"   who have put Obama in the position he is in now.  Lets have a fair country.  BET?  Is that not Racist?  WHat if there was a WET?  Can you imagine the uproar?  Think people....
Gang activity groups in the military are investigated as well as hate groups.  Recruiters have become experts at tattoos and insignia in an attemt to weed out members.  Don't attempt to justify hate groups by pointing out gangs, it's a weak argument.  Since when did 2 wrongs make a right?
With this country (which is no longer the UNITED STATES but heading toward THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION and the world in such a mess)i am not surprised that this is happening. All other colored groups can speak up but when a white man speaks up then it's considered a threat. I am for equality but i think the white man deserves to speak as well. This country and the world is run by bankers and they should be the ones to be brought to justice!
MEChA is a Hispanic separatist organization that encourages anti-American activities and civil disobedience. The radical members of MEChA who refer to themselves as "Mechistas," romanticize Mexican claims to the "lost Territories" of the Southwestern United States -- a Chicano country called Aztlan (Colorado, California, Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington). In its national constitution, MEChA calls for self-determination by its members to liberate Aztlan. MEChA's national constitution starts out: "Chicano and Chicana students of Aztlán must take upon themselves the responsibilities to promote Chicanismo within the community, politicizing our Raza with an emphasis on indigenous consciousness to continue the struggle for the self-determination of the Chicano people for the purpose of liberating Aztlán."

Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge's MEChA chapter has been quoted as saying: "The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled -- opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power."

Former MEChA members include Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who was officially endorsed by La Raza for mayor and was awarded La Raza's Graciela Olivarez Award. California Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante is also a former MEChA member. He delivered the keynote address at La Raza's 2002 Annual Convention. La Raza recives millions of federal grant dollars each year. La Raza was actively funding MEChA, according to federal tax records. La Raza literally means "The Race".

203 members recruited and the government investigates while giving millions to an equally racist hate group? Somethings wrong with this story in that its not one.





Fight to protect what constitution? Oh you mean that thing this pathetic government of ours has altered over and over to line their pockets with cash?  Face it pal even the government is dirty and cheap.........If Thomas Jefferson and others were alive today not only would they be sick to their stomachs because of the world affairs but even more to see what was fought for freedom from Britain........Has now became the same overly taxed mistreating of the governments own people......
Brendan you need look no further than your own comments to see what is wrong with extremists. Why are you so filled with hate for your fellow man? All hate is disturbing, including your version.
I am currently an active duty soldier and if there are racists in the military then most hide it well, as they should because since being in (11 years total) I have never seen a display by white soldiers.  You can go to a club on base and see gang signs thrown during a song but that doesnt seem to be brought up. Why is that?  In case some people didnt realize this but we may be soldiers but are still human and were brought up certain ways and your past is never far away no matter where you might be.  Cant by now we all just get along?!
crips and bloods are not hate groups.
Wow!!!! when will this change, probably never as long as people like this are alive. I've been harrassed by noose hanging and all but to think there are white supremacist groups trying to recruit military personnell is rediculus. get over it people because you can't stop change, whatever direction God wants this world to go in, then please believe it will go in that direction nothing more or nothing less. take a course on Black American History and you'll see that there are probably more black Americans that has died for this country thean any other race.  
Tim McVeigh was a gunner in a Bradley fighting vehicle. He did not learn how to build a bomb in the Army. Also, black and latino gangs are widely known to have infiltrated the military in search of weapons and tactics. Is that not worthy of mention here? This story is pretty weak.
The Crips and Bloods primarily kill Crips and Bloods, i.e., undereducated and self-hating  economically challenged black people.  There should be no attempt to realistically compare white supremacists who want to kill people who don't look like them to gang members who simply want to kill each other.  Let's be serious!  
Maybe alot of people feel these groups have some legitimate arguments, in the elitist-run mess known as 21st Century America.  If there were no demand, there'd be no supply.  
It just takes one nut to create a forest.  Hitler was such a nut and he lulled an entire country of intelligent citizens to follow his ways.  Don't ever discount the nuts out there AND never think of cross burning as a lesser threat.
These people have a right to talk about whatever they want. But, when it comes to threats, that is where freedom of speech becomes blurred.  
Voltaire said, "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will die for your right to say it." PERSONALLY, I don't think I would die for someone that threatens and denigrates other people.
I don't understand why articles like these make it seem like whites are the reason for continued racism. Has anyone heard a Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speech lately?
Ahhh! You Americans! You jump at every gnat that hums! We have "people of middle-eastern appearance" and "people of African appearance" as our new bogies in Australia. We also have people "of Asian appearance" and "of Pacific Island appearance" to support the stand-by bogies of people "of aborigine appearance."
Want any more bogies? The Crips and the Bloods? Balderash is the word. I like the China solution to extremists, the drug fraternity, paedophiles, rapists and the like - Howard R. Deed has a solution close to my heart - outsource the problems to those who have a track record of success in solving them.
Don't blame the military for those idiots.
The military is totally color blind. The only problem with race and the military are the little babbies who join and won't listen to people from different races. These little babbies just want to pout and stomp their feet and cry about the black Sargent or the white Sargent or the black Col. or the white Col. Grow up you babby!!!!
That is what help destroy our Army in VietNam
The black solders calling the white NCO"s "the man" and the whit solders disrespecting the black NCOs.
Even though it is alarming, what has been written about the gang members of color that are doing the exact same thing?
Black power groups like the Crips and Bloods do the same. By ten times more.
John Doe Vacaville Ca (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:49 PM)

Joe first of all Crips and Bloods are not lack power gangs their membership includes Asians and Whites. I do agree with the fact they are a dangerous bunch that should have no place in our military. However, having served myself with a white power skinhead people can and do change their political views and issuses concerning race. The militarly can only do some much with this gans as you know we have freedom of speech in our country and unless they break laws or the UCMJ nothing can be done. I think the media in their quest to sensationalize subjects is way off the mark here the U.S. is manned by some of the greatest people you will ever meet, so please don't let this .01% mislead lead.
Rom. Tokyo, Japan
I see more hate and fear in these comments than I have ever seen in white power groups.  Talk about xenophobia!  Evelyn, keep your God handy as a shield against understanding and an open mind.  Brendan, you're what Barack was talking about in his comments about Pennsylvania.  Chill out, people!  .  
"It's my biggest fear if (and in my hopes, when) Barak Obama is elected that these hate-monger, white-trash, uneducated rednecks will take a shot at our would-be president.  Even in parts of Southwestern Pennsylvania, I can see & hear the anti-black sentiment brewing amongst the undereducated white population of the area.  My advice to them, go play in traffic blindfolded cause your racisit attitudes make me ashamed to say I'm white.  
Brendan, Pittsburgh, PA (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:03 PM)"

Hey Brendan, other white people are more embarassed about you being white than you are, first because you are so blind that you don't realize that there is a bigger threat from gang members and non-citizen foreigners joining our forces and learning these skills, than a handfull of "white" individual.  The most dangerous skill is the one that makes you "numb" to killing, and there are thousands of "blacks" that exercise that in the streets already, so don't make it a white thing.  And second, because you are so racist with your "white guilt" that you would vote for a Marxist like Obama, just because he is black.  

and to the "retired veteran of color,"

who feels safer in the middle east than in America, despite the fact that you are free to return to the Middle East anytime you want, - I'm glad I didn't serve with someone who would doubt my loyalty and honor, just because of a bogus investigation by a Racist Anti-White organization (Southern Poverty Law Center) and an article written  by a media outlet that makes it's money by keeping animosity stirred up between races.  If you believe this about your brothers in arms.  With that kind of mental capacity, heck, you might have retired as an E2.
All of these groups are "terrorists" and should be treated as such.. I have always thought that our biggest problem is from within.. and so it is. It appears that Hitler is still active. Let's go after these home grown terrorists with as much gusto as we are with the so-called terrorists. I say "so-called" because if you do your homework there is MUCH evidnece to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.. that the terrorists of all terrorists sit in the oval office and the chair right next to him.
I believe that Timothy McVeigh and his group were of the white supremist orientation. If you do not consider them terrorists, then you are both blind and ignorant. This country will destroy itself from within if we do not address all terrorist threats and stop the racism. We are all unwitting contributors to its demise unless we wake up.

Listen My Friends all of this talk about the FBI finding white-supremacist in the military training to become domestic terrorist and there are know arrest. Lets see, "How many people will they have to kill before they are any arrested"?
they are Investigating the crips, and the bloods and there should be no exception to anyone group or person to be under investigation if there intentions are to disrupt our way of life people are still people no matter what the color of their skin or religion or creed so for you to say that a bunch of lunatics burning crosses isn't as severe as the crips and bloods which are equally just as bad is ludacris.
Should I just 'jack' slap you people? This article just told you who was behind the Murrah Building bombing, 9/11, and the invasion of Mexico into the U.S.! The skin-heads of one of our Nazi groups here in Okla was clearly behind the Murrah bombing. There is all kinds of evidence, and some of their members are employees of the FBI. That's why they didn't do their jobs. Duh. George Bush got nervous after 9/11 and came here (Okla.) to get re-assurance from his co-conspirators. The mideast connection logically came from Bush who did buisness with bin laden for YEARS!!!!!!! Duh, again. Bin Laden and his crew who ALSO got training for free courtesy of our GOVERNMENT officials. Who's alibi was that it was needed in the name of our CIA! Duh, triple. Okla. also recently entered a bill seceding from the Federal gov.....uh-huh. It wasn't for POOR folks and SLAVE-WAGERS! Ain't no puzzle workers in this bunch, is there? There are a portion of rich Repubican gov. Reps, working for and with rich men like the owners of some of the biggest businesses in Okla. You figure out who they are....not hard. But I'm not naming them and although they won't like it, they can't say I named them......"I have met the enemy; and he is US"-Pogo....
I servered over 20 years in the ARMY and I have seen some of these groups. Robert Stonerock, where have you been. FT Bragg had a big problem with these groups. Did you forget about the white extremists who killed that BLACK couple? Lets stop trying to make the military look so clean and address the problem.
This is what happens when our children does not receive a well rounded education.  We must teach them the importance of living together of dying apart.  Let's be more careful to take heed to the warning of the Apostle Paul in Romans 1:28-29.
Matthews Thomas, San Antonio, TX  
Actually, the FBI has a history of monitoring and taking action against white supremicist groups, and not all of it has been legal.  While I don't think any race is superior to any other, I DO believe that we all have the right to believe as we choose, and we need to be careful in our celebration of the FBI's actions against any group of people, because not all of the people they've targeted in the past have deserved the fate they recieved at the hand of our wonderful government.  Freedom should include the freedom to dissent without fear.
The Crips, bloods, Latin kings and Mexican mafia are not dedicated hate groups. They are criminal organizations.
The sushi at United on 50th street is really good.  You all should try it out.
This story is nothing more than a plant so that they can go after supposed blue eyed blond haired "terrorists". This is what is going to be used to take more of our civil liberties away. You people need to wake up to the real threat to the American way of life....it is the loss of your freedom to "protect" you from a phantom enemy that DOES NOT EXIST.


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