White-power groups recruiting from military

Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:42 PM ET
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By Jim Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Producer

White-supremacist groups have recruited 203 people who served in the U.S. military or who claim to have U.S. military backgrounds, according to a new report by the FBI. The unclassified FBI Intelligence Assessment, issued last week and obtained by NBC News, cautions that white-power extremists are trying hard to recruit active-duty soldiers and recent veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“White supremacist extremists hope to revitalize the white supremacist movement by exploiting antigovernment sentiment among opponents of the overseas conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan,” the FBI report states. It adds, however, that the effort is not going particularly well. “Although some veterans of these conflicts have joined the extremist movement, they have not done so in numbers sufficient to stem declines among major national extremist organizations, nor has their participation resulted in a more violent extremist movement,” the FBI writes.

The report, titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11,” compiles statistics from hundreds of FBI cases from October 2001 to May 2008. It finds that U.S. military experience “is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement.” It adds: “FBI reporting indicates extremist leaders have historically favored recruiting active and former military personnel for their knowledge of firearms, explosives, and tactical skills and their access to weapons and intelligence in preparation for an anticipated war against the federal government, Jews, and people of color.”

And it’s not just veterans who are drawn to the cause. “FBI cases also document instances of active duty military personnel having volunteered their professional resources to white supremacist causes,” the report states. The FBI finds that “an estimated 19 veterans (approximately 9 percent of the 203) have verified or unverified service in the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Reaction from Watchdog Groups:
NBC News shared the bulletin, prepared by the FBI Counterterrorism Division, with Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Potok is an expert on extremist groups, and helped prepare a report called "A Few Bad Men," on how “extremists are once again worming their way into a recruit-starved military.”

“This is a genuinely important report,” Potok said. “The FBI has confirmed what the Southern Poverty Law Center disclosed in a major investigation -- that radical right-wing extremists have infiltrated the military in a bid to gain weapons and other specialized training, and that many former military members are a part of organized white supremacist groups.”

“The fact is, even if their numbers are small, violent white supremacists armed with the best military training in the world are a real presence in hate groups today. It’s important to remember that Timothy McVeigh, who murdered 168 people with a truck bomb, got his training in the military,” he added.

FBI Stats:
Skinhead groups and the extremist organizations National Alliance and the National Socialist Movement account for 72 percent of the total number of successfully recruited veterans (or men who claim to be U.S. veterans.) “According to sensitive and reliable source reporting in October 2006, the National Socialist Movement received a number of queries from active duty Army and Marine personnel stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan expressing interest in joining the organization or inquiring about chapters located near domestic US military bases,” the FBI states. “Whether as a result of group recruitment efforts or self-recruitment by active military personnel sympathetic to white supremacist extremist causes, FBI information derived from reliable, multiple sources documents white supremacist extremist activity occurring at some military bases.”

The authors also state that supremacist leaders have encouraged followers who lack histories of neo-Nazi activity to infiltrate the military as “ghost skins,” in order to recruit and receive training for the benefit of the extremist movement.

Comments

What is wrong with you people? Do you not realize that WE ALL come from the same GOD!!! Or are you that stupid and ignorant that you think you have a different god than the rest of us that were put on the face of this earth?
This does pose some concern for many people in the country.  There is no good way I can think of to screen people out of the military for this kind of thing.  I would have hoped that serving in the military with a cross section of the country would have opened people's eyes to different ways of life.  
Unless I have missed something, none of these groups is listed by Homeland Security as a "terrorist organization"!  I am surprised (and pleased) that the FBI has monitored them.  I figured with the politization of Justice that they would not be allowed to target any real home-grown threats!
Black power groups like the Crips and Bloods do the same. By ten times more.
Oh come on, 203? What about the untold numbers of them belonging to Stormfront? What a load of crap report this is. What does a skinhead have to sign a form and receive his White supremacist gold card to be an official member or something?
What if anything is being done about the known members of these groups who are in the active military?  
This is a scary, and possibly real, threat to the possibillity of electing the first bi-racial president in our Nation's History.  It's my biggest fear if (and in my hopes, when) Barak Obama is elected that these hate-monger, white-trash, uneducated rednecks will take a shot at our would-be president.  Even in parts of Southwestern Pennsylvania, I can see & hear the anti-black sentiment brewing amongst the undereducated white population of the area.  My advice to them, go play in traffic blindfolded cause your racisit attitudes make me ashamed to say I'm white.  
Let's see 203 nuts out of a million men in uniform.  Talk about reaching for a story.  Instead of scaring people with this nonsense, how about some real investigative reporting on the billions being stolen by companies feeding on the war.
I find this article to be very disturbing.  I am a retired military veteran of color and to think that some of my "fellow" military members, be they retired and active duty, would join a hate group to harm me because of the color of my skin.  I've been stationed in the Middle East and was not afraid of the danger there.  I am definitely more concerned, afraid about the domestic "TERRORISTS" here in the U.S.  Wake up people to this alarming story.  If we continue to ignore the warning signs, danger is definitely on our front steps!!!!!
Still playing find the boogy man?  The "White Extremists" will never do any real harm...the leaders prefer preaching to the choir.  As I recall from my Army days, there were a number of recruits with very low GT scores.  These are probably their recruits.  Why not instead wage a real war on drugs.  Or outsource the drug problem to the Chinese.  In 1947 they had a severe opium problem which they quickly solved by executing all the pushers and all the users. This is what is required.  Anyone who is addicted belongs to their drug and not to themselves.  They can not keep any promises or resolutions.  Solve the drug problem and there won't be a gun problem...or a supremicist problem.
I wonder how many hate crimes are committed by white racists every year ( as opposed to the other way around )?  Did the FBI share those figures?
THIS IS NOTHING NEW!!!!! IT'D BEEN GOING ON FOR CENTURIES.
sadly i'm sure these groups aren't too keen
on the idea of having a president of
African-American decent.
The White Supremacist groups have been actively seeking recruits with past or current military expertise in weapons,explosives, tactics, etc. for decades, this recent relevation is no surprise.

I do not condone or agree with all of their views but must agree that White American males and their families are fed up with a government that has empowered Blacks and other so called "Minority" groups through 40 plus years of affirmative action that penalizes American whites by giving preferental treatment to these "Minorities" in terms of educational benefits and jobs.

If you don't believe me, go into ANY government office AND VA Hospital and look at the ratio of "Minority" supervisory positions held.

Example after example of cases where Whites have been passed up for promotions by "Minorities" that actually scored lower in testing are abundant.

People should be awarded according to their accomplishments achieved, not by the color of their skin.

Until this happens, White Supremacist groups will continue to exist.
The Crips and Bloods aren't Black power groups.
John Doe from Vacaville -

Crips and Bloods don't do the same thing. They have idiots of all colors.  
The greatest thing about this country is that groups like neo-nazis have the right to exist, the right to speak and the right to recruite!  We often forget that this is the price we pay to be a free nation!  
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- Voltaire
Preservation of the WHITE Race. Well lets see. WE have Black Groups, WE have Mexican Groups, We have Cuban Groups, We have Asian Groups, We have chinese groups, ETC. WHATS wrong with having A WHITE GROUP. Where do i Join.
ill acknowledge i dont like this at all however ill also say that the constitution grants them the freedom to say whatever they decide to and be in any group they want to
i will not trample the constitution just because i dont like what they are
however i do have a question
when they harm someone where can i sign up for the firing squad??
while their views disgust me like so many other things they are free
do not persecute them until they commit a crime i say this as a 20 year old white guy so take it however you want
The media calls them "White-Supremacist" to demonize them, the way they called the folks at Waco "Cult Members".

White-survivalists would likely be more accurate, with caucasians in minority status in three states already; Hawaii, Texas and California.   If I lived in a high-crime area, and/or close to our southern border, trying to cope with the 133k violent criminals coming north yearly, I'd be looking for competent people to stand with me, regardless of color, or politics.


I find it odd that white liberals are lining up to support and vote for a guy ( Obama ) who hates America and white people, which strikes me as very self-destructive.  While Susan Sontag and her friends probabily are a cancer, I see nothing wrong with being white, which is the whole point of this article; to make whites to feel ashamed of themselves because of the color of their skin.  
The bloods and the crips are not "black power" groups. They are gangs, and generally no better then thugs in the streets who sell drugs and guns to kids. Its ridiculous to even compare them to a white power group. Bloods and crips don't do it for their race, they do it for money and street power. And also, there are black, white, and mexican gang members in both the bloods and the crips. As far as the white supremacist go, they are idiots if they haven't figured out that we all have to live on this planet together. Its a waste of a life to hate anyone because of what color they are, or where they are from. They need to grow up. Its not 1908.  
it took one Timothy McVeigh to blow up a building. it will take only one of the 203 skin to do the same
with the right training like McVeigh.  So don't underestimate this report it could come back to haunt.
"It’s important to remember that Timothy McVeigh, who murdered 168 people with a truck bomb, got his training in the military,” he added. POTOK?
What's important to remember is he was a machinegunner. Improvised explosives are taught to a select few in the military, not your everyday joe grunt! Don't miscontrue the facts to support your scare tactics, Potok.
(Black power groups like the Crips and Bloods do the same. By ten times more.
John Doe Vacaville Ca (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:49 PM))
Yes I agree except they totally EXPLOIT their own neighborhoods and their own people for financial gain when it comes to drugs and crime including innocent people.
Gangs such as the crips and bloods are not black power groups.  Please get your facts straight. Most of our fears come from a wealth of misinformation which makes us easy targets for fear mongers to pray on.  Stop making yourselves victims of untruths an innuendo. Stop giving them power over your life and thoughts.  Stop allowing them to makes fools out of you.  The crips and bloods aren't the biggest threat to you.  Far from it.  The biggest threat to you is your on incredible stupity for not realizing that the best war tactic is to divide and conquer.  That's the mind game that these fear mongering groups play on you.  Blame all your problems on blacks, muslims,the baby, your dog, your cat.  Blame it on anybody but yourself. God forbid that you ever deal with some reality in your lives.  First, look in the mirror, second, do some research, third, accept whatever role you've played in the current circumstances that exit for you.  You all will be much better people for it and opposed to blaming others.  
Seriously?  Really folks, let's think long and hard about this one.  I've been in the Military for more than 18 years now, and planning on retiring in 2010.  I haven't seen much for recruiting of this nature, and I've been deployed twice now, in support of OIF I and II....  Someone is really reaching, if you think about it.  Right now, all branches of the Service are hurting for personnel, so, of course, we're dropping some of the requirements down a bit, to meet the numbers.  
I was at Bragg when a lot of this stuff was going on in the mid-90's.  I saw it first-hand, and know that their isn't much left, for large groups.  If I was a betting man, I'd expect more of a threat from small, foreign, terrorist-cells, here domestically, rather than a white-supremecist threat.  Go to www.globalincidentmap.com, and you will see what I mean...  This details the unclassified portions, of terrorist threats and activities, that a lot of Americans should see...
You reap what you soe. I heard that time and time again and from different people.
People who soe pain will reap pain. There is no master race ! We are all part of this planet.

Some people in our society think they are superior because of their skin color or financial statis.
But in Gods eyes all people are the same. You can't not tell me that God only made white people. How do you account for all the other races ? I know that some would say that these people are mud people. Like cattle !

I have seen two sides to this movement. And they do have a good side. And yes they do have a bad side.
But are they really willing to scarifice their lives for their cause. Yes ! Oh yes ! But is the cause worth their eternal souls. I can't answer that one because each person makes a choice to either live a life the best way they can or they choose the path that leads to destruction.

I hope that they will stop before it's to late. They have seen much pain in thier life times. But at the same time they have caused a lot of pain them selves.

Each day they have the chance to change how our world functions. Why can't they choose peace for once in their lives ? I have seen enough in my life time and I'm tired of it aren't you ?

God help us all ! Go America..
(Black power groups like the Crips and Bloods do the same. By ten times more.
John Doe Vacaville Ca (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:49 PM))
Yes I agree except they totally EXPLOIT their own neighborhoods and their own people for financial gain when it comes to drugs and crime including innocent people.
This message is for Brendon from Pittsburg, PA.
Brendon I found what you said to be incorrect I’m not saying I don’t agree with you but you are not 100% correct. The reason this infiltration is now spreading into the military is because they are very well educated. You think they are dumb red necks and hillbilly’s but that is not true. I myself have been around this type of environment my whole life. I know over 300 members worldwide through my travels all but a few of them “exactly 5” either have 1-3 different master degrees or a PhD each. The secret is like the whole mafia thing “What mafia there is no mafia” but the truth is they want you to keep thinking the same way. Underestimating them is there biggest strength. Why do you thing the FBI tracks them when they are not required to? They are a bigger threat than most people know. There is no way to stop this infiltration.
Skin Heads, KKK, Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings, Mafia, are all terrorist groups and need to be treated as terrorist llike al Queda. The all terrorise American citizen.
Wow last time a checked, black on black crime had more of a negative inpact then white on black crime.  I also enjoyed how nothing was pointed to any extremiest black (black panthers) or hispanic (M.S. 13) and focused only on whites.  Yet the government is trying to take away our 2nd amendment rights.  And to think that this story makes the news. If any ones wants to comment on my poor grammer or spelling give me a break, I went to public school.
In my 23 years of military service, I never met anyone affiliated with these "hate groups".  The military is the best place to educate our youth on racial and cultural diversity.  I gained an appreciation for groups that I would not have encountered had I not joined the military.  It opened my eyes and my heart for my fellow comrades.  There are "kooks" of every color in our society.  The military is no exception.  
So what?  It takes all kinds of idiots to make a world.  Do these idiots really think they can stand up to the most powerful military in the world (U.S).  Our Govt. is not perfect but it is the best in the world.  I am a retired (served 21 years) vet and I believe 110% in our Govt and if need be will fight these idiots head to head to defend our Constitution.
"these hate-monger, white-trash, uneducated rednecks will take a shot at our would-be president.  Even in parts of Southwestern Pennsylvania, I can see & hear the anti-black sentiment brewing amongst the undereducated white population of the area.  My advice to them, go play in traffic blindfolded cause your racisit attitudes make me ashamed to say I'm white.  
Brendan, Pittsburgh, PA (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:03 PM)"

Wow, Brendan.  You have some serious hate issues along with that 'white guilt' thing you got goin' on.  I find your comments and stated beliefs as offensive and disturbing as I do the idea that white power groups are recruiting from our military. Hate is hate, Brendan and all hate is disgusting.
Hooray the FBI got a chance to investigate something without some special interest group filing a complaint (yet).

I am certainly not advocating for the white power extremists, but turn about is fair play, what would be the uproar if it came out the FBI investigated the Crips and the Bloods, both of which are far more serious of a threat to most Americans than a group of nuts that meet on farms and burns crosses.
..and of course if a skinhead white supremacist kills scores of innocent people on US territory, he or she will only be called a killer and not a terrorist. However, if the skinhead happens to be Muslim (highly unlikely), then he or she is a "terrorist". Amazing how this hypocracy called the United States works.
Bloods and Crips are not black power groups they are gangs.Gangs that kill each other over red and blue. They are usually blacks killing other blacks so I don't know what John Doe Vacaville Ca  is talking about!
these hate-monger, white-trash, uneducated rednecks will take a shot at our would-be president.  Even in parts of Southwestern Pennsylvania, I can see & hear the anti-black sentiment brewing amongst the undereducated white population of the area.  My advice to them, go play in traffic blindfolded cause your racisit attitudes make me ashamed to say I'm white.  
Brendan, Pittsburgh, PA (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:03 PM)"

Wow, Brendan.  You have some serious hate issues along with that 'white guilt' thing you got goin' on.  I find your comments and stated beliefs as offensive and disturbing as I do the idea that white power groups are recruiting from our military. Hate is hate, Brendan and all hate is disgusting.
Sagi P., Boise, ID (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:57 PM)

Brendan, I also live in SW PA and I agree with you completely!!!

Either Sagi in Boise has no idea what it is like to live as a decent, educated, open-minded individual in the midst of the garbage constantly creeping around you with their ignorant yet arrogant attitudes of the certainty and rightness of their "opinions," or he/she is simply one of them!
How about the people of color in the armed services who have gang associations/activities while on active duty?  That is a way bigger problem.
The Crips and Bloods are not black power groups, they are gangs. I also like how the person who wrote that used the name John Doe. Anyway, the danger here is not that white supremicist are recruting from the military. The problem is that they are recruting for a war against America. It was an American, not some foreign nation that bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City. If our government does not keep an eye on this type of thing, it will be hard to stop domestic terrorism.
Terrorism is a crime, and this is an appropriate response is to gather intel to identify the threat, and when an act of terrorism is to be commited, go and get 'em, instead of waiting and and allowing it to take place like in 9/11, and then labeling anyone as a "terrorist" so we can commit any number of human crimes against them, similar so called slang of "haji" in Iraq and numerous crimes of humanity committed against anyone collectively grouped as a "haji".

These are minor groups that seek to grow their power by having some military knowledge; I hardly see them as a threat compared to criminal gangs like ex-para-military trained by US from El Salvador that the police won't even touch in local cities.
they should also include the NAACP as a hate group
and a antisemitic group.....face it...all people are proud of their race and try to show it but white folks are the only ones labeled racist......the ones to watch today are the Mexican/Latino groups....there are some real hate groups within those...many say they will try and take the southwest back, claiming it was stolen from them......if they want to help lower the numbers who join these groups...stop the giving of special rights to certain peoples and lets just say equal rights for all americans...no special laws or treatment to anyone because of race or beliefs....racists are found in people of all colors......but we only hear or read about white ones....isnt that a form of discrimination...
203?  This is gross that anyone would join up, but that is pretty small, compared to the whole.  I imagine the numbers of our children being recruited into gangs all over the country is much, much higher.  Why not freak out about that?  Why not put the microscope on that?  Why not stop adding to the hatred you claim is "such a problem" and deal with the bigger issue... hate and believed entitlement in general.

remember that Timothy McVeigh was a military man.
White, black, yellow, and brown are all of who I am. I thank the good LORD for opening my eyes to that fact. I embrace God's spoken truth, (1) "God is NO RESPECTER of persons.” Acts 10-34 & Duet 10-17 (2) We are ALL created in HIS image; if in doubt, seek HIM out...in the BIBLE of your choice. I used the KJV 1611 Edition.

Before anyone joins an EVIL HATE group like that, you best count the costs'. We do not want them here; moreover, in The Armed Forces!

Hate me instead, and know... that I have forgiven you in advance.

      Regards, The Man of Many Colors
It behooves the federal Govt to cooperate more with local law enforcement agencies & the FBI by releasing military records which contain a particular disciplinary problems of certain military members primarily in the Army & USMC who engage or previously participate in hate groups or activities such as the KKK, WHite Power, Stormfront, Neo-Nazi skinhead organizations.
To Sagi P in Idaho;

You may be right in your intolerance of Brendan's intolerance of the rednecks in this Commonwealth...but I have to side with Brendan's sentiments; but only because I truly believe that these are the sort of people that are preventing the rest of us from evolving into something better. I mean really! If we had overcome racism in the 60's and 70's when we had the chance, maybe we would be talking to alien civilizations by now...instead of allowing a warmongering Texan continue to pour kool-aid for the masses.
...what would be the uproar if it came out the FBI investigated the Crips and the Bloods, both of which are far more serious of a threat to most Americans than a group of nuts that meet on farms and burns crosses.

Oh really, D Deatherage? Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh or Theodore Kazinsky AKA The Unibomber?
This really isn't a new phenomoma in the Miltary. As a retired Equal Opportunity Advisor in the U.S Army, we constantly provided training on these groups' tactics for adding military personnel to their rolls.  One key factor that we all must remember, is that the military is but a reflection of our over all society!  So what's walking around in the civilian sector, is doing the same in the military.   Vigilence is the key!
While everyone was all excited about 9-11 and Iraq, the right wing Christians have taken over all the military academies and the entire Pentagon.  No solider can't advance in the military unless they go to daily Christian prayer groups, listen to officers pray during meetings, and support their ultra-right wing objectives.  Jews, pagans and atheists are all debased, attacked and kicked out of the military for this good reason.  The Pentagon is full of these people now spying on left wing, anti-war groups, democrats and anyone they feel like.  They tap your phone or look at your computer anytime they want. All those nukes and defense systems are now under the control of CHristian ultra right wing fundamentalists. The stats above in the article are probably only the tip of the iceberg.  Feel safer now?


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