KSM still in charge

Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 10:45 PM ET
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By Jim Miklaszewski, NBC News Chief Pentagon Correspondent

Held totally incommunicado – first by the CIA, now by the U.S. military – since his capture more than five years ago, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-confessed mastermind of 9/11, has not lost his touch or his powerful grip over his al-Qaida foot soldiers. It took him only 15 minutes Thursday to reestablish that authority.

As one of some 30 journalists who attended his arraignment before a U.S. military commission at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, it all unfolded right before my eyes.

As we were escorted into the courtroom, Mohammed, also known as KSM, could at first be seen casually chatting and laughing with his four co-defendants: Ramzi Binalshibh, Walid Muhammad bin Attash, Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi. It was the first time they were all together in at least five years. 

Within minutes, the casual banter turned more serious. Although we could not hear what was being said because we were confined to a soundproof booth in case someone had a slip of the lip and uttered something the government considered classified, we could see that KSM had clearly taken charge. With a stern glare and exaggerated hand gestures, it appeared he was issuing orders to those nearest to him, which in turn were passed down the line. It wasn't until the hearing was under way that our suspicions were confirmed.

Given his chance to speak, KSM launched into a rant, which was punctuated with chants from the Quran, which he would pause to translate before moving on. After declaring the U.S. justice system "evil," he told the court he was rejecting his government-appointed attorneys because they worked for "George Bush, who has waged a crusader war against Afghanistan and Iraq." He said he would represent himself in the criminal proceedings and boldly announced that all four fellow defendants would do the same. It appears now the other defendants had no choice. They were under orders from their commander.

KSM created "an undercurrent of intimidation in the courtroom," Army Col. Steve David, the chief military defense counsel, later told reporters.

One by one, each of the defendants fell in line and rejected their defense attorneys, but not all voluntarily. Al-Hawsawi, charged with providing money, clothing and credit cards to the 9/11 hijackers, was a reluctant warrior in KSM's latest conspiracy.

Army Maj. Jon Jackson, al-Hawsawi's military defense counsel, said his client "was shaking" as a result of intimidation from KSM. Jackson said he spent 20 hours building confidence and rapport with his client only to have it "totally destroyed" after five minutes with KSM. When al-Hawsawi hesitated to sign on to KSM's plan, Jackson said the al-Qaida leader threateningly asked, "What, are you in the American Army now?" The threat of being labeled a traitor was apparently enough for al-Hawsawi, who ultimately jettisoned his defense team.

"With (KSM), it's all about control," Jackson told reporters.

After five years in solitary, coercive interrogation that some say borders on torture, and now faced with certain lifelong imprisonment if not a death sentence, KSM still thinks he has it.

Update: The editors had written "Iran" instead of "Iraq" in the previous copy. We regret the error.

Comments

We saw the same thing at the Nuremberg trials.  The indoctrination is strong enough, perhaps even reinforced by Gitmo's treatment of these prisoners, that they still adhere to their own perverse party line.  
KSM maybe in charge of his five Al Qaida buddies, but he and his organization is hardly in charge of world-wide terror, the same way they were before 9/11. In the past several years Al Qaida has been decimated by the US Military and by CIA/US Military arrests and assassinations. Al Qaida has lost thousands of members and hundreds of leaders, they are a shadow of what they were. KSM can laugh all he wants, I doubt he will be laughing much when he is strapped to a table, about to get the needle:)
Let's just get it over with and stick a handgrenade up his miserable butt right now.
well, if you really think about it, the U.S. justice system has been going down hill lately. if you look at the comparison between civilians and authority holder such as police officers, pollititians, and sometimes even "higher-ups" have been literaly getting away with murder. so another words, the justice system has its kinks, bumps, and difficulties. but to stretch it as far as evil, thats kinda over doing it. maybe we should re-evaluate some of the cases that has gone one in over 8 years.
Apparhently our interrogation tacts need to be ramped up then.  I thought part of the deal was to break the person, make them acknowledge that you are in total control and only through you will they be granted their next breath.  This KSM needs to be broken and humiliated in front of his fellow defendants and then let the trial proceed.  Do you think he will have such unabashed control then?
It's disgusting that the Bush Administration is hiding these people far from the American public. We deserve to hear anything and everything.

They killed Americans, on American soil, they should be tried on American soil, in an American court of law.
I don't know why we care anymore. we are giving them spotlight. Do what you want with them. I don't want to hear about it. Sit them between Arnold and Stallone. Let them have a conversation.
why was the court stupid enough to put them in the room together in the first place?
Jim Miklaszewski, your statements and lopsided sensational journalism do as much to damage our cadre of honest American military as KSM thinks he commands from intimidating his sheepish followers. I was in Cuba until this morning and I can honestly say we would all prefer if you stuck to simply reporting the news, and not spinning it to try and win a prize.
This boils down to the old saying that if you tell yourself something often enough, you'll eventually start to believe it. They are fanatical enough about their own beliefs that they're willing to die for them. In the right context, that can be admirable...but if it's going to take a hangman's noose to put these guys in their place, then so be it. "Martyrs" they may be, but I doubt that there will be many tears shed for them.
Any prosecutor ever heard of "separate" arraignments?
Rarely do we see or meet people in our lifetime who should never be given a second chance in life.  These animals are the perfect example of why there are exceptions to the rule...
This idiot wants to be executed?
Give him life in a cell instead. Let him live to be an old man in his little cage because that is where he belongs. Why end his suffering quickly,  that would be to easy
All these terrorists need to be tried separately. I cant believe they are allowed to be in the same room. Although I believe they all should be executed right now I believe our method of justice needs to prevent them from becoming the "martyrs" they want to be.
Your Headlines "KSM STILL IN CHARGE".---In charge of what? Liberal media?
Great read, but as in the pas we (the US) will mess it up and, they the 9/11 bandits, will be of to do  it again, Isn't democracy great.
Your Headlines "KSM STILL IN CHARGE".---In charge of what? Liberal media?
Welcome to the real world. Many, likely the majority of the human population, do not share our values, sensibilities, and beliefs. We are not encountering the problems typically discussed at the local PTA meeting. The U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights applies to the citizens of the United States. To enjoy those protections one must apply for membership and abide by the established rules of civility required for acceptance, not to ceaselessly campaign to the contrary. Tolerance and acceptance are our ultimate strength. The opposite, however, must be confronted.
Tolerate wild superstitions along with human fantasies and monsters will reign supreme.
KSM is a man of faith. He belives he is fighting for God against evil. He is in many ways more powerful and full of conviction that the people he is up against!

People like that are dangerous and indomitable. We must fear a man with so much certainty that we are evil and destroy his following.

Any will to fight us by people like him must be undermined. Their faith whittled down to a nub.
Re-education programs(good diplomacy) for the young people in thos regions must be created.

This is the most dangerous type of warrior we as a nation have ever faced!
Thinks?  He has it.  We're still convinced we're fighting a war against specific combatants while the 'combatants' realize they own the battlefield.  They're belief is more correct because they understand that its a war of tactics instead of a ground game.  
  An army's mission is to break things and kill people.  We've sent an army to build things and convert people.  We have hideously failed our heroic servicemen and women.
by reporting this, you have helped the terrorists immensly, they feed on this and want more.  what better way to spread fear than to promote it.
why did they even let them talk to one another?
To sentence this man to death would only make him very happy, as he would then be a martyr in the eyes of the radical Muslim world.

The ideal punishment would be to sentence him to life in solitary confinement with no possibility of parole.
This has happened before in 1946 at the Nuerenberg
Trial. Hermann Goering did took the same posture as KSM bullying his co-defendants into sticking to the party line and claiming the court was a sham. By bringing KSM and his co-defendants together it looks as if that either the military  learned nothing from 1946 or that they are under pressure to conclude these procedings before the Bush administration goes away.  
It is blatantly obvious that KSM has not been tortured or otherwise broken. Coersed with strong tactics, yes, but not tortured. Only a complete blind fool could think otherwise after this obvious of defiance.The entire thesis of pussyfooting with these extreme criminlas in thte name of human ri9ghts or some kind of inmferred legal issue is insanity itself. These people are murderers on a grand scale flatout. Like it or not, time will prove GWB was correct in his actions against these thugs. When they come to harm your family I GUARANTEE you will think differently than worrying about their rights! What rights, the rights to murder?
Was this the same guy that wanted to be "martyred"?  And admitted "guilt" in 9-11 planning?

Good enough!

Admitted guilt, sentenced to life in prison without remorse or pity, and be burnt and buried in the prison yard.

Same as anyone else.

Don't like the "time", don't do the crime!  Lets leave a lesson here.

Why do they allow this interaction?  It makes for unfair trials for those who were intimidated.  The trials should be separate or at least have the defendants isolated to prevent this.
why we even bother with this people they are
guilty the said it them self .
why spent millions of dolars on trials
when we need the money for are onw people
they didnt think twice about killing innocent americans we should just put them on a plane an
crash it in their beloved dessert away from innocent people.
Does it really matter who acts as his lawyer? He's in a military court, different rules. Your guility until you prove your innocent.
Wake up people.  The guy would kill all the Americans he could in a second flat. Don't ever forget what this was all about - 911........ Wake up people! and get a clue, these ANIMALS have no rights.
KSM is deranged.  Thinks is the key word in the last sentence.  I guess we're humoring his fantasy of remaining control for some reason, but in reality he controls nothing but how his defense will proceed, to a certain degree.
A very strong argument presents itself for severing their trials, thus removing additional opportunities for KSM to assert his will.  
How can we possibly believe anything about these proceedings. We (the U.S.) have severely broken the honorable rule of law and due process and that is a double edged sword that will come back to cut us.

With all due respect how do we know that this reporter didn't drink the kool aide?

Lest anyone think me un-American for posing these questions, I am 12th generation Massachusetts.

To quote Theodore Roosevelt, "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
It is interesting that this information about KSM, an obvious psychopath, does not make it into the daily news cycle of the mainstream media. Americans need to realize that radical Islamists are very willing to die for what they believe. Are we?
Given that all defendants have been held separate and isolated from each other for fully five years, why would they be arraigned together? Wouldn't this give the very opportunity to KSM to exercise the control that was witnessed? Wouldn't it also give them a dangerous opportunity to communicate and to pass along messages and orders?
A conviction could ultimately be set aside and a new trial ordered if the defendants were intimidated into refusing counsel, especially if the tribunal had knowledge of this.  KSM wants them all to become martyrs or use this as a ploy for time if they are convicted. This could drag on for years at taxpayers expense.  
why did they even let these people talk to one another?
Mandate the same sentence these terrorists gave  all those in the Towers.
Ha Ha are you kidding me? That is what you call taking control of something? You must be joking. O.K. so they're defending themselves... wow. They all know they're going to get the death penalty, so what the hell, why not? I think the funny part is, they caused 13 other men to become martyrs, but they had to be embarrassed to become martyrs themselves. It just goes to show what a hypocrisy the whole terrorist plan is. It's laughable and kind of sad really, it goes to show what type of character these people have, they're pushed around and easily manipulated, and that's is what essentially these terrorist cells are. One manipulative person in control of several unsure, uncomfortable, and easily impressionable men.
So...despite the completely transparent rigging of this poor facsimile of a trial based on some mutant version of the American legal system, we are supposed to be surprised that someone as astute and formidable as KSM declined to meekly accept his fate, but instead chose to turn the situation to his advantage?  The entire concept of these kangaroo courts is a travesty that can not withstand the light of day.  Bush could not have given KSM a more effective pulpit than he has unwittingly (isn't it ironic how this one word so perfectly sums up his entire existence?)done here.  We'll be paying for his hubris for a long time...
KSM has boasted about being the mastermind and leader in the 911 tragedy.  Is that not a confession ? Cannot he be sentenced on his own guilty plea ?  We are carrying this to extremes to allow him to play hero to the terrorist world.
He admitted guilt. Sentence him.
Riddle me this...For what reason are the "accused" to face trial together?  If they were to face separate trials, there would than be no reason to allow them to have contact with one another...seems like rather poor strategy to me if they are looking for any slip of the tongue providing useful information, no?
:Just for the record this is my first reply ever to a blog especially one on this topic just so you dont think that Im some kind of reverse Cindy Shehan. I think this is a three ring circus, that WE  should have KILLED him 5 years ago not the government but WE the people. He confessed to have been the leader of a conspiracy that killed thousands of  Americans and was put in JAIL? And all of the so called torture over the last five years is seemingly not enough to get him to relinquish any real information, leading me to beleive that either, its NOT TORTURE or KSM and his seeming subbordinates are really eating this crap up. Seems to me the only torture victims in this whole shenanagan are the people who lost their loved ones because of this ahole and handfull of radicals. I say a handfull because on a worldwide scale  Al Quiada is really no more than a bunch of common thugs with a few more guns and some camels pthhh not scary.  So on the subject of him coersing the other witnesses, he should never been allowed to show that power whether in that courtroom or anywhere else, shame on the court and shame on the media.  I beleive that at the cost of 4000 peoples lives he gave up his own humanity and along with it his basic human rights as should anyone of them who wants presume credit for that shamefull act. Im all for not torturing prisoners in the regard that Im an American and we beleive in a higher respect for each other although not always the way we should. But in some cases, such as this, we let our feelings shroud the need to protect ourselves . They know this and use it against us as was obviously played out in that courtroom. The only thing that KSM is in charge of is a couple of 5 year convicts unless of course you count his captive American Audience. Why have let it come to this. Shame America    
Interesting to encounter someone who is still obviously in charge, i.e. is a real leader, as opposed to these marshmallows in the Bush administration and in Congress.  There is one American politician left who still has this kind of power, but she was just outvoted for the Democratic Party nomination.  All very ironic.  It's just this sort of determination and single-mindedness -- what we call "fanaticism" -- that, in the long run, tends to dominate in both politics and in war (think: George Patton) and that we will be continuing to deal with for a long time in the Near East.
Aloha Jim Miklaszewski and Liberal Journalists everywhere.  So, KSM "has not lost his touch or his powerful grip over his al-Qaida foot soldiers?"  All four of them.  Incarcerated. All five accused of monstrosities beyond belief...yes, sir, quite the leader!  He's taken charge of a ship of fools, sir, and murderous ones at that.  He's in control of nothing, really, but you (and the rest of the liberal media) play into his propaganda game nicely.
Has what?  This is a terribly written article that a fifth grader could have put together.  Where's the impartiality and objective reporting?  
Why are these jerks being tried together? They should have no contact with one another.   Yeesh!!
I think that by inflicting the death penalty, if that occurs, we would be playing right into the hands of the extremists.  Conceived martyrdom for one only makes the recruitment for other believers easier.  Life in solitary confinement would be my choice.
Some of us non-aligned outsiders still hope for a shred of unbiassed reporting but this blog is an example of Press propaganda. What touch has he 'not lost'? Who has proven that these are 'al-Qaida foot soldiers'? Why does a rationale for handling his own defense have to be a 'rant'? Rather than the ingratiating 'some say borders on torture' your reporter should say 'that most of the world defines as torture'. Finally after a blog that demonstrates that a specific individual can exert a remarkable control over codefendants what exactly is the comment 'still thinks he has it' supposed to mean? Obviously not only will these trials be show trials but much of the USA media is still happy to continue to perform as the foot soldiers of the Bush regime.


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