Update: Tampa televangelists draw Senate scrutiny

Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:13 PM ET

By Lisa Myers and Rich Gardella, NBC News Investigative Unit

This post is an update to an earlier version from Wednesday, March 12. See the latest on this investigation here.

Two U.S. senators sent out a new round of letters today to some of the nation’s most high-profile televangelists, urging them to turn over key financial records. The senators told the ministries that they want to know how their “non-profit organizations are structured and operate,” amid allegations that some of the televangelists have misused church funds to enrich themselves.

One of the letters was mailed today to televangelists Randy and Paula White, who founded the Without Walls International Church in Tampa 16 years ago, calling it "the perfect church for people who are not."

After a month-long investigation, NBC News has learned that some former staffers and members have left the Whites' church after becoming disillusioned with its increasing focus on donations.  Several former Without Walls insiders with years of experience working for the church told NBC News the same thing: in the past few years, the church started to become more and more about making money and fame for the Whites. They claim the Whites' constant appeals for donated money has helped enrich the Whites themselves.

NBC News talked to more than a half-dozen former Without Walls church staffers, and examined public records and some internal church documents. Most of the ex-staffers would only speak to NBC on condition of anonymity, saying they feared retaliation by the Whites. 

Some of the staffers said that the Whites sometimes urged followers to make checks out to them personally. 

For example, a church spreadsheet obtained by NBC News lists $43,129 in so-called "personal offerings" to Paula White from one event in September 2005.  NBC News also saw copies of checks made out to Randy White.

One long-time former church insider, who asked to remain anonymous, said such payments were part of a troubling pattern.

“It says to me that they were shearing the sheep,” the former insider said, a charge that the church denies. 

The insider and five other former staffers say the Whites sometimes took cash from uncounted donations, misused church funds for personal expenses and even pressured the faithful to take equity out of their homes to boost church donations.

“They came up with every kind of idea possible to get money, to make money,” the church insider said.

Sens. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Max Baucus, D-Mont., of the Senate Finance Committee said they sent the new letters to the Whites and three other televangelists to remind them that “the committee’s jurisdiction includes the federal tax policy governing the billions of dollars donated to and controlled by the nation’s tax-exempt groups.”

Grassley first wrote to the Whites last November. He also sent letters to: Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church, Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas; David and Joyce Meyer of Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo.; Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas; Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga., and Creflo and Taffi Dollar of World Changers Church International and Creflo Dollar Ministries of College Park, Ga.

The Whites’ Without Walls International Church is a tax-exempt megachurch based in Tampa, Fla. It began in a Tampa storefront in 1991 by its then-husband-and-wife founders, Randy and Paula White.  The Whites built the church from scratch.  They reached out to the disconnected - the poor, the homeless, drug addicts, gang members, ex-convicts, prostitutes - providing various ministry services and outreach, and winning accolades.  One year they received the ceremonial "Keys to the City" of Tampa in recognition of their work.

Without Walls grew dramatically during the past decade, eventually occupying a compound of buildings near Tampa's main airport, plus a second site in Lakeland, Fla. As of 2006 it claimed more than 23,000 regular attendees, ranking it as the second-largest church in the U.S., one of the top five fastest-growing.

Over the years, it became a multimedia empire, devoted to preaching the “gospel of prosperity:” the belief that God wants believers to be wealthy but that, for that to happen, believers must first give money to God.

It was this central message, one shared by other big evangelical Christian megachurches, that helped bring them to the attention of Senate Finance Committee investigators.

The Whites have long asked believers to "sow seeds" and give "first fruits" to pay money to God in the form of regular church tithes and other offerings. God, they claimed, would then return money back to them in multiples.

"God will give the finances to you," exclaims Randy White in a recent webcast sermon posted on the church's Web site, "if He can get them through you!"

"God is going to speak to you to sow a one-week's salary. He's going to speak to you to sow one month’s salary,” Paula White has told her followers. “I want you to get up and go to the phone and to obey God!”

Cindy Fleenor was one such believer.  Over the years, she gave thousands of dollars in donations to religious ministries, including the Whites. 

“We're taught if we don't pay our tithes and give offering and alms that we're robbing God and we're under a curse," Fleenor told NBC News.

Over the years, donations to the Whites' ministries have grown significantly.  In 2006, according to an audit of Without Walls International Church released by the Whites last year, "tithes and offerings" were its biggest source of revenue, totaling $35 million. 

Despite that revenue, Without Walls was $26 million in debt, according to the same audit. 

NBC News found Florida public records suggesting that debt is from large mortgages taken out on church properties during the past few years.  One Without Walls board member, Alick Clark, told NBC News both the large oustanding debt and the mortgages, were a "complete surprise" to him. 

During the same period, the Whites appear to have prospered.  The Senate investigators, who sent the Whites and five other ministries requests for internal financial information last November, want to know how the Whites were able to afford, among other things:

* a $2.1 million waterfront home in Tampa;
* a $3.5 million condominium at Trump Park Ave. in New York City; 
* an expensive Bentley convertible, which an NBC News camera spotted Randy White driving to church this month.

And how much they collected in personal incomes: reportedly as much as $1 million each.

"Questions need to be asked," Senator Grassley told NBC News in a recent interview. 

"Questions need to be answered."

Many of the questions regarding the Whites were first raised through a series of front-page investigative articles published by the Tampa Tribune newspaper last year.

Last summer, the Tampa Tribune first reported the news that the Whites had divorced.

Since divorcing Randy White, Paula White has pursued an increasingly separate career through Paula White Ministries, the Without Walls church's media ministry, as a life coach and host of a syndicated religious program, Paula Today.  She reportedly has relocated to San Antonio, Texas and frequently works from there on her life-coaching ministry called "Life By Design."  But both Whites remain active in Without Walls and their organizations' finances remain entwined around the same financial foundation. 

This month, the Tampa Tribune broke the news that the Whites had listed church properties for sale, including the buildings in Tampa, without informing board member Alick Clark.  The Tribune then reported that Clark had submitted his resignation from the board. 

Former staffers say that the Whites and their church urged members to tap 401(k) accounts or home equity loans to give even greater amounts and charged substantial fees for some church services - for example, $1,000 or more for mandatory ministerial training for those who ended up serving only as unpaid church laborers.

Several of the former staffers claimed the Whites themselves encouraged members to make checks payable to the Whites personally.

NBC News viewed copies of checks from one former staffer payable to "Pastor Randy White," including one in the amount of several thousand dollars. Another staffer told NBC about personally witnessing deposits of such checks directly into the Whites' personal accounts.

NBC News called some of the more than 200 individuals on the church spreadsheet listing "personal offerings" to Paula White totaling $43,129, for one single appearance in September 2005.  All the individuals called confirmed the gifts, but some said they had been under the impression they were donating to Paula White's organization rather than to Paula White herself.

Two former staffers made a more specific assertion: they claimed Paula White collected personal payments for appearances and speaking engagements directly from undocumented donated monies, and used the money for personal expenses.

All the former staffers question whether all the donated money went to appropriate church expenses.  Although the 2006 audit, the only one released, claims that 81 percent of unrestricted donations went for ministry missions and outreach activities as of 2006, several former staffers claim they had direct knowledge that church money routinely paid for non-church expenses - including expensive gifts to other churches' ministers and personal trips on the church's private jet and on commercial flights.

Insiders pointed to the church's spending on travel as excessive. The church purchased used a Gulfstream II corporate jet 2006 for $1.5 million, but also chartered others.  Staffers claimed Paula White's personal demands frequently increased travel costs, and occasionally generated frivolous trips.

"I thought we blew a lot of money out of the tail of that jet," said one former staffer.

Several former staffers told NBC News that church's credit card paid for at least one personal vacation trip via commercial airline. One source was aware of several such commercial trips.

Insiders said in recent years, individuals approaching Without Walls for financial help have been turned away, told there's no money for that kind of support, particulary those who hadn't donated.

A pastor of a small local church which had partnered with Without Walls on local food drives told NBC News he severed his ties with the Whites last year after Without Walls failed to follow through on a commitment to conduct an Easter food drive for Tampa's needy.  The pastor claimed the Whites had made an appeal on nationally distributed television programs for donations to support such a drive.  The pastor claimed he had coordinated food deliveries for Without Walls food drives in the past.  But despite his repeated promptings this time, he claims, the church simply didn’t do the event.  The Whites declined to answer specific questions about this allegation.  The pastor spoke to NBC News on the condition that he not be quoted by name or interviewed on-camera.

"It didn't look like a church at all," said the former staffer member who agreed to the on-camera interview. "I mean, it didn't look like, you know, God's money was being used properly."

One thing that didn't look like a church was the infomercial Randy and Paula White made promoting the sale of Omega XL, a nutritional supplement. The Whites claim their activities on behalf of Omega XL were part of one of their legal, for-profit businesses.  But several former staffers attest that the infommercial was produced using Without Walls church studios, equipment and personnel.  The Whites declined to respond to a question about whether their for-profit company compensated the church for that use. 

The Whites' church is registered with the Internal Revenue Service as a 501(c)(3) church organization. According to the IRS "Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations," all churches registered as tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organizations "must be organized and operated exclusively for religious, educational, scientific, or other charitable purposes" and "are prohibited from engaging in activities which result in inurement of the church's or organization's income or assets to insiders," including ministers.  That's the government's way of saying that a tax-exempt church's income or assets must not enrich its ministers. 

According to IRS rules, 501(c)(3) churches are not only tax-exempt but also are not required to publicly release IRS filings. Without Walls Church does not release its IRS filings and declined specific requests to do so from NBC News. The church Web site does not include specific information about its governance - it does not even include a list of church officers or members of its board of directors. 

Previously, the Whites have claimed their wealth comes from appropriate and legal compensation, comparable to what other non-profit CEOs earn. They also have claimed additional wealth from for-profit business ventures - including a real estate company, a travel agency and sales of the nutritional supplement promoted in their infommercial.

The Whites and their church organization declined to be interviewed by NBC or to answer detailed questions. They've denied any wrong-doing, and directed NBC News to their previous public statement concerning the Senate Finance Committee's inquiries:

"We take our financial responsibilities to our partners very seriously, the statement read, "and to the best of our knowledge we comply with all tax laws. Our audited financial statements appear on our website."  (Since our report aired on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams, the link to these statements on the Without Walls International Church Web site has been down.)

But, in a rare two-hour taped interview last April with Tampa Tribune/WFLA-TV reporter Michelle Bearden, they faced some of the same questions NBC News asked. They refused to divulge their own personal incomes, but claimed they donate 10 percent of both each year. 

MICHELLE BEARDEN/Tampa Tribune-WFLA-TV REPORTER:

"So do you wanna tell what your income is? Your personal income?"

RANDY WHITE:

"Now, what do YOU think?"  (LAUGHTER)

In the same interview, they claimed any negative allegations from former church staffers or members about them or their church organization were short-lived "blips on the radar." 

RANDY WHITE: "The brighter the lights, the more bugs you attract...There are people who like to take cheap shots... We've done a lot of good in this community, a lot of good. And I think you've got just a teeny bit, a few percentage of people who want to take cheap shots."

Since receiving the first letter from Sen. Grassley of the Senate Finance Committee in November, the Whites have not provided any answers to the Senate. When Cindy Fleenor first heard that, and learned more about the Whites’ lifestyle, she stopped giving money. “I felt like I was deceived and been taken advantage of,” she said.

But on Wednesday, Senator Grassley said that the Whites have now agreed to cooperate with the Senate investigation. The Senate has given them until the end of the month to provide documents, and answers.

The Whites' former church members and staffers say they are speaking out in the hope of further investigation of the financial activities of the Whites and their church by federal authorities, including the Internal Revenue Service. In the case of the IRS, further investigation will be aided by proximity. A local IRS office sits right next door to Without Walls International Church.

Linda Fecteau and Luke Mayo contributed to this report.

 

Comments

This "fleecing the flock" with the "prosperity message" has been preached since before the 1980's. Why has it taken so long to investigate these so called ministries? Millions of people have donated millions of dollars to keep these people in a lavish lifestyle. Doesn't sound like
Christianity to me.
Unfortunately, these prophets of profit have undermined the hard working, compassionate clergy who labour everyday to make others' lives richer. Not only does their blatant materialism and their manipulation of the emotional insecurities of the vulnerable run counter to the spirit of the Gospel, it is also an excuse for governmental oversight of religion - a further step away from the spirit of our Constitution and the American mos maiorum.
Some accountability is called for here in regard to the wealth amassed by some of these preachers. Spending someone else's money on Bentleys, Mercedes, and huge expensive homes, while their congregations struggle to make ends meet is wrong.There are ministries who are very honest and upfront about their finances, while some are not. I hope an honset and fair way to deal with this can be found.
This has been going on for many decades. The government and media need to wake up and hold these people accountable for the profits they reap. About 40 years ago I was listening to an evangelist on the radio asking for donations if you were so poor that you could not donate then he wanted you to send in your green stamps. Many of them seem to have no morals when it comes to money.  
I think that if I want to give my pastor all my money, it's nobody elses business.  Why don't they go hard on shopping malls and stores?  Millions of Americans "waste" their money and go into debt because of credit cards, why don't we do something about that?  Or how about this huge mortgage crisis?  I mean I saw that one coming 4 years ago, when every mortgage company was offering me no money down loans and my credit score wasn't even 500 and I had a judgement.  Maybe if they had been sending some letters to these companies we wouldn't be arguing about whether to help out a bunch of people who were "duped" into giving all their money to mortgage companies in exchange for a house that they no longer have.  
I agree that much of what goes on in church is big, for-profit business. Nevertheless, I think that many people give out of a sense of community and charity. I sympathize with them. Their motivation for giving is to serve God. Yet, these middle men have come between them and the God they serve and betrayed their trust. I do not think that 501(c)(3)s should be forced to pay taxes for charitable contributions, but I do think that churches need to realize the legal and ethical limits of tax-free status and stop crossing the line. As for the televangelists who have plundered the faithful for years, they belong in prison.
Rule of thumb for belonging to any non-profit organization:

If you pay dues (or tithe, in the case of churches), you have a right to see where the money goes.  Ask for a copy of the budget.

If you don't agree with the way the money is being used, you have the option to either 1) get involved in the planning/decision-making process and help steer the movements of the organization's spending, or 2) quit or do not choose to join the organization.

Above all, don't sit there and claim ignorence - "They told us to tithe so we did, we don't want to be cursed by God!"  What a bad excuse that is.  Every single one of us has freedom in this country - I have no patience for people who squander their earnings and freedom by blaming someone else for their own actions.
 Come on! People I can’t believe some of the comments I am reading. The majority of these ministries fully comply with the IRS regulations as they stand.  Yes, there ought to be some oversight to make certain they are doing what they say there doing outside of that.  Let them continue to build character, morals, compassion, love, and responsibility in which is so needed in America.  If it were not for the churches scores of the jobless, fatherless, homeless would not have a place to go. Many of the victims of natural disaster, family disaster, & Corporate disaster would not have a place be healed, mentally, physical and emotionally.  If we would only learn to live like an advance society we would not need churches.  (Tell me this. why have not anyone investigated the top 1% of America’s elite in which controls 40% of the nation wealth?  Maybe because they line our US senator’s pockets.)
Mike Murdoch makes me cringe..I can't stand to watch him. He is the biggest fraud I've known in my day. I saw him as a small time singer on PTL in the 80s. He is living like a king in north Tx..he never preaches to save souls , he only preaches money, money, money.  I don't watch any of the televangelists anymore..Very dissolusioned after PTL, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and most others. Jimmy Swaggart lost it all on scandal, Jim Bakker lost it all on fraud, others have fallen and more will fall.
The adage "A fool and his money are soon parted," clearly applies to anyone who believes that God wants them to give, give, give to their church.  I feel not the least bit sorry for any of these folks who gave, gave, gave.  If they couldn't see the scam for what it was then they do not deserve our pity.  Weak mindedness is what brings folks into the fold of religion to begin with.  Not being smart enough to avoid being fleeced comes as no surprise.
I think the world and the nation would be better off if every single church, synagogua and mosque was shut down. Churches seem to breed intolerance, narrow-mindedness, greed and hate.
All those church going people who have given money to these churches and others have gotten what they deserve, which is a lot of nothing. They are fools holding an empty bag and if the US govt doesnt do something about these tax free religious scam artist then shame on them too. I pay  alot of taxes and I work for my money. Organized religion is legalized organized crime.
Maybe if we did away with organized religion and focused on what is real and tangible such as poverty, health, and education maybe we would all get to that higher place...or at least a better place.
Everyone of them has to let people know where "God's money" went to. This is only the top of huge iceberg, people will be surprised! This is the best profitable business in the USA in God's name.
Real teachers of God's Word will tell you that He loves a cheerful giver and if you can't give cheerfully keep your money. My pastor in Safford drives an old pickup truck and has a cotton farm and my pastor in Costa Mesa drove a nice clean 85 caddy and is called Chuck, just Chuck. the fleecers of their flocks will get their due, much worse than the rulers of this sad world can do.
Sentors Baucus & Grassley are to be congratulated for having the "guts" to go up against these charlatens. These so called "evangilists" prey on weak minded people who should know better but they don't. My hope is that all "churches" will be held to the same scrutiny and the guilty will get to join the Enron folks at the federal county clubs.
Why is it everyone is so quick to bash?
Why not wait and see if there is any truth to it.
Joyce Meyers I aunderstand has her tax info online for all too see.
All of these organizations have been checked out and approved by the I.R.S. as being legal.
Why not raise a fuss or complain about the thousands of other organizations which aren't evangelical which are ripping people off?
Easier to Christian-bash?

Please do not think that all ministers of god are like this. Joel Osteen has never asked for one cent during his TV shows. He has written books and works hard for his money. His father was also a minister and followed the same guidlines that his son Joel does. My wife and I send money to their ministry because he uplifts us and without him being in our lives we have a hard time understanding the Bible as it is written. Our children watch him every week as well and have become more aware of their purpose they are here. So please do not say all these ministers on TV are out to get peoples money because Joel is truly an insperation and is not out to take your money. If you think he is just simply watch a few of his shows or read his books and then decide for yourself. I would only say one more thing. If everyone in America would watch Joel we would live in a much safer and better America.
The comments so far tell more about the writers than televangelists and show some obvious biases.  That there are televangelists whom I consider scam artists I will not deny.  But when I red this, my first reaction had to do with the Senators and their use of power.

If you look back in history, you will find most publicly charged Congressional hearings are more about the politics of self-promotion than any work envisioned by the Constitution for Congress.  And many such hearings are intended to be public trials that acted more like kangaroo courts.   The recent hearings about drugs in sports are a good example because at no time was there the slightest thought to actually framing any legislation that might address the situation.  In my mind there was never any such possibility as the drugs in question were already outlawed.  

So, should the Congress act as a sort of Star Chamber?   Or does this distort the rightful powers and balances set forth in the Constitution?

As for sticking it to the scam artists, remember the Bakers and how they were brought down through the legal process as it was meant to work.

God clearly states in his word, Judgement beginnings in the house of God starting with the preacher. So I say let her rip. The separation between church and state is simply the gov. will not tell the church what to preach... and that is all that is said about the topic.
To all the people who are being fleeced by televangelists trying to get salvation - the message of salvation is very simple - accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and you do not need anyone to run interference for you with God. Get to know him by reading the Bible and through prayer.
A good word can be said for ministries that do prosper, that is they have been there to help those in need. For instance after Katrina KCM and other ministries had their trucks and planes loaded and on their way there to help those in need . While the senator's and other goeverment figures were wondering what to do and where to get the money from.What more can be said if they had not the money they would not beeen able to perform this acts of love.
I can't believe it's taken this long for someone to investigate these cheats. Take the big profits for these televangalists away and 98% of them will go away, because thats what there in it for, not for God or anyones salvation.
Religion has been fleecing people since the begining of time with its tautological fabrications and oppressive nonsense to rule their flocks.
People should read "Evangelism:  Fleecing the Faithful" by Frank Newby.  It shows clearly the evolution of the modern religious scam and the use of technology to accelerate earnings in the modern religious industry.
Jesus said in Matthew 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves." (Matthew 7:15)

I go to a small church in a rural area.  We pay the pastor a very small housing allowance and he and his wife tithe back more than half of that amount from her salary--she works at a hospital.  When our tiny church budget has money left over after expenses, we help a family in the community (they don't necessarily have to be a member of our church) with groceries or medicine.  We don't believe in a 'prosperity' doctrine as much as a sharing doctrine.  We don't give to get, we give because we trust God to provide for our needs, but not necessarily all our wants.  We've never been disappointed in that faith.  
I am not condoning the misconduct of the Whites.I have watched their ministry rise and fall.I have even sowed into their minisery. I do not not feel cheatedby them.Godly character is built before a person   becomes a"successful preacher'" with millions of dollars at his or her disposal.If they are being exposed now God that has been speaking to them about the mishandling of funds.If God exposed financial wrong doing in corporate America then why would He not expose financial wrong doing in the of Christ Body.With this other will fear exposure to the world.They might work on the accountabilty To God and their flock.No one is above God's chastisment especially Pastors.
I honestly can`t believe it has taken this long for anybody to look into this. All of these groups tell you God has all the ansewers to your problems, but ask you to send your money to solve theirs.
It's not just greed that helps these televangelists get rich-  there is also fear among their followers that they exploit.  The followers of these pluto-theocrats are kept emotionally crippled- their faith has not given them "inner strength".  Frankly, greedy pseudo-holy men do more damage to their religion than the most militant atheist could ever hope to inflict!  It would be of benefit to both believers and non-believers to hold ALL religious leaders accountable for their actions.
You know what they say, there's a sucker born every minute, and two to take them!
While I am apalled at the actions of these people I am wary of lumping christianity as a whole, into this type of category. Albeit the message we hear today from most televangelist fall under this theme, true christianity would tell you that God is more interested in your soul than your pocket book. Maybe if they got back to that message the church could avoid the problems it has today.
Worry about yourselves and that you give to God with a free and giving heart and you will get your reward! If these preachers ARE bilking the congregation, they WILL get their reward on judgement day. Way to often we FORGET or choose to IGNORE the fact that VENGEANCE IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD and these congressmen speaking out against these people are trying to discredit the church, NOT bring to light a crime! this is just another attempt to discredit CHRITIANITY, WAKE UP PEOPLE.
While I agree that we should have a separation of church and state as guaranteed by the constitution, times are now such that we need to have a clearer definition of what constitutes a religion or church for tax purposes.  To achieve exemption from taxes, they should be forced to provide complete financial transparency.  Since this does not infringe on issues of ideology, this would not violate the constitution.  Of course, any religion or church that insists on not being open about its' finances could still do business as usual... as long as they pay taxes. The choice would be theirs.    
I may not have a great walk with god, but some of these comments insult me and anyone else who wants to do right. The church I go to the pastor quit a higher paying job to become a pastor full time. He has admitted many times that he has faults and always seeks to improve himself. He has also admitted that he is human as well and it should not stop anyone who wants to have a relationship with God. If you people have seen his vehicles, they are used. So he lives by trusting God. One of the reasons I don't watch these guys on TV or go to any of their special events is that I see what looks like expensive rings on their fingers other than their wedding bands. These so called "TV Evangelists" are making things look bad for the actually honest pastors and ministers that want to do good.
People need to stop being so short-minded.  Its not about "religion", tithing is meant to benefit the kingdom of God.  These people work harder than they are given credit for and they live for the benefit of others and glorifying the kingdom of God.  Before you start criticizing the churches, take the time to educate yourselves and be rational in your comments instead of emotional.  If we are jumping on a "fleecing of American taxpayers" bandwagon, why don't you direct your efforts to toward those who are here illegally who benefit from our tax dollars or those who just want a free ride.    
I personally belong to a church who never asks for,or passes a collection plate(ever). We are simply taught about tithes and offerings according to the scriptures.And the choice is the individuals,and our needs are always met at the church. We give by faith and are rewarded with blessings. The church is small But very productive.How good it is to never hear asking or begging with all having things in common, Including the ministry.
Theoretically people who are unable to defend themselves from criminals are protected from by laws.  We are concerned about gamblers, alcoholics, drug addicts.  We have organizations and people to try to protect us from pedophiles and rapists.  We have police to protect us from criminals.  But televangelists have found a way to prey (or should I say pray)on the people under the guise of religious freedom, or freedom of speech.  When in truth, what they do is no different from the above.  I speak from experience.  My ex-wife gave everything we had to televangelists, even stole the children's inheritance.  These people should be treated like any other con artist or criminal.  It's too bad we can't seem to separate these people from honest religion, or at least ban them from television, so the damage could be limited.
The Bible does teach tithing, and I am a minister of the gosple. I also practice what I preach on that subject. That being said I could not sleep at night living a hollywood life style while folks that trusted me as their pastor went hungry and without. No wonder folks are skeptical of preachers these days. God help us.
This is why I dont belong to any religion Its so hard to believe in any of them because you find most are crooked. They dont care about us they just care about themselves.
Before I get bashed, I don't condone any form of stealing especially from God. But if these allegations are true (remember at this point these are only allegations) it's a tragedy. Especially for the good people of the church that work diligently and sincerely to further the kingdom of God. I find it interesting that the investigators, Lisa Myers and Rich Gardella didn't mention a single good thing that this church does. (I know good doesn't sell) Does any of the money go back into the community, charities, or the mission field? Is it too much to ask for even keeled reporting or do have to settle for just the smear?  For the finger pointers and quick to judge (Matthew 7:3 Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye.)
This investigation will go about as far as new gun law proposals would go, ... nowhere. This country is not ready to address the ills of religion-based rip-offs, and it probably never will be ready to do so.

Practically every religion involves smoke and mirrors, some more than others. So, how do we differentiate between funds donated to make certain poor Asian orphans get brand new Bibles with their bowl of soup, and the funds donated to keep the Whites' Bentley tuned-up?

This nation's religions have spent over two hundred years solidifying their hypocrisy. It will take more than a couple of Senators to make a dent in it.
This story is clearly one sided. Any good and descent journalistic work would give room for the other side even when the other side does not want to speak to them. Of course they would not especially considering the tone, assumption and approach of the writer. Typical example, the book of Malachi 3:6-12 indicates that the Lord says we've robbed Him if we do not pay our tithes. The writer should have elaborated on why people pay tithes. If I don't believe in tithes then of course I'm not compelled to pay. No one places a gun to ones head to demand money from them. This is religion and a matter of faith. If you do not believe in it, then don't join and don't give. Simple! This does not mean that there are not crooks in sheep's clothing. In which case, I advocate the inquiry but let's be fair. LEt's go after the bad apple and not the religion. Religion is the exercise of one's personal beliefs.
THE antithesis of what the church is about.  Did I say "church"?  Thank God, these wolves (in sheeps clothing)are NOT part of THE church.  Fortunately their clothing is becoming transparent.  Sooner they are naked, the better. All need to see them for what they are.
If you believe in the teaching of the Bible, you will know that Satan is around in many forms.There are people that works in many ways to fulfill his plans, and one of them are to steal from the people and make them think they are GOD or his Servant.But ask and you will know.
And this is "news"? There is no difference between P.T. Barnum and religous personalities.

Where has NBC been for all these years. When the fundies where politically powerful there was nothing said. Now that thier power is waning big news.

Bob O'Keefe Lillian Alabama
As a Christian, this blight angers me greatly, but comes as no surprise and should have happened long ago. Part of it is the lack of biblical knowledge of believers who listen to these "white washed walls." If they knew their bible, they would discover that grace covers it all-even not paying tithes! God holds church leaders to a higher level of responsibility. I hope they all spend long days in prison. Then they can start prison ministries!
I am presently a member in a church that also wants everyone in the church to give one weeks pay during easter (harvest) time. Shortly after that, the majority of the staff one by one go on vacations one by one.  To top that off, while they are gone, staff members who are on the churches payroll, still receive their so called weekly compensation for church duties. So much for donating your time for the Lords work.
You have overlooked the biggest crook, Pat Robertson and the 700 club!
As long as people are willing to be taken advantage of there will be people willing to do it!! Come on people, get your head out of the clouds and realize that chain letters and tele-evangelists are devices for taking advantage of your fears!!!


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